Hey. If your landings don't suck, why the fuck did you click on this? Am
I supposed to believe you're a genius with a stick, but can't control your
mouse clicking?
Anyways, if every one of your landings is perfect, go someplace else,
and fuck off.
Let's talk about what we're doing here. The landing consists of four
phases:
1) final approach
2) flare
3) level flight (before touchdown)
4) rollout (after touchdown)
(1) final approach should be 3 degrees or whatever the VASI/PAPI says.
Someone spent a shitload of money on them, so especially at night why
not use them, at least until you get real close to the runway?
People make a big deal of a "stabilized" approach, which I suppose is nice
if you aren't a very good stick, or just learning to fly. Trust me when I tell
you that if you fly a "stabilized" 70 mph approach in your 172, all virtuous
and smug, at a busy airport you're going to be supremely unpopular with
kerosene burners flying twice your speed behind you. ATC is going to have
a cow.
A 70 mph, five mile straight in approach might be good for a student pilot,
but like training wheels you've got to ditch that shit. Learn to fly a decelerating
approach while nailing the glideslope. Every approach I fly starts at 180 mph
five miles out and ends up at 120 mph very short final. And that's the only
speed that matters - what you're flying over the numbers, because that determines
the kinetic energy you need to dissipate during the length of the runway.
Learn to fly a decelerating approach, and people at large airports will be
much happier with you. A good day for me is when ATC has to call out a
speed reduction for a biplane following a jet. Makes me smile.
(2) flare is the transition from steady descent on final, to level over the runway.
It's a lot easier to do, if you're consistent - be at the same speed, at the
same height over the runway threshold. The flare is tricky for beginner
pilots, because it requires an insane amount of precision. Most people
think they have a foot-long dick when they get an instrument rating and
can control their altitude +/- 100 feet. Well, that's not going to cut it
during a landing.
My suggestion is to start the flare a little earlier and do the transition a
little slower, until you get some more experience. Remember that Rome
wasn't built in a day, and you aren't going to learn to fly in a weekend. My
landings got better after the first 10,000.
There are two main problems pilots have with the flare
(a) they don't know how high they are
(b) they can't control the aircraft in pitch very well.
Let's talk about these two.
(a) during the flare, don't just stare at the end of the runway, because large
changes in height will result in very small changes in what you see there.
You must start glancing out the side windows as you get closer to the ground,
to visually determine your height over the pavement. The side picture changes
drastically with small changes in height.
Note that this is a function of color contrast at the runway edge, and the width
of the runway. At first, you might be an ace with a 75 foot wide runway, but you're
in for some fun the first time you try to land on a 200 foot wide runway.
I fly aircraft that you can't see forward out of in the landing attitude - very
pre-WWII - so it forces me to use my peripheral vision during the flare.
As a flight instructor, I had an annoying trick that I would act as a biological
radar altimeter and call out the height above the runway to the student.
Until the student knows how high he is, he can't possibly make the correct
inputs to flare.
(b) controlling the aircraft in pitch. The biggest problems that pilots have,
is that they get behind the aircraft and enter a pilot-induced oscillation in
pitch, with the aircraft going up and down, close to the ground. When that
happens, get the fuck out of there. Full power, freeze the stick and get some
daylight between the tires and the pavement.
A lesson I liked to use as a flight instructor, was to tell the student that I
would control the power, and I wanted him to do landings by just looking
outside, with his hands and feet on the flight controls. In fact, we wouldn't
even land - I would tell the student that I wanted him to fly ONE FOOT over
the runway, and I would use enough power to keep it there, and NOT LET
THE AIRPLANE LAND and he could spend some time learning to control
pitch without overcontrolling at that slow speed, in ground effect. One hour
of this can result in a TREMENDOUS improvement in a pilot's landings,
and at the end of it, I pull the power off, the student tries to maintain one
foot, and he gets the best landing of his career to date.
Which brings us to
(3) level flight before touchdown. Ok, you're at one foot (eventually, six
inches) over the pavement. The power is off, airspeed is decreasing,
lift is decreasing (note that you WILL NOT STALL - in your entire lifetime
you will probably never fly a FULL STALL landing which is pilot bullshit)
and your job is to STOP THE AIRCRAFT FROM LANDING. Steadily
increasing the back elevator, maintaining six inches off the runway,
and at some point the aircraft says "fuck you" and sits down. A perfect
mains-first landing (on a nosedragger). A perfect three-point landing
on a taildragger. If you can put the tailwheel on first, even better.
(4) rollout. Congratulations, you landed the motherfucker, but you are
careening down the runway at a very expensive speed. You need to be
patient and STAY OFF THE MOTHER FUCKING BRAKES and let the
aircraft slow down to taxiing speed with the power all the way off, and
hopefully the idle isn't set too high, which can really fuck you. For many
decades, I have set the idle on my Maule so low, that if you pull the throttle
all the way back the engine will quit when you are stopped. This has the
effect of generating very nice drag with the constant speed prop. I don't
recommend it though, because most people really aren't very good pilots
and aren't up for anything even slightly different.
Landing a little airplane, you don't need any brakes for any kind of normal,
certified runway, if you were anything less than Vne over the threshold.
I know Mike Busch is a God. Just ask him, he'll tell you. But he recently
blew a tire, landing the C310 that he's flown for decades. Yup, locked
up the brakes at too high a speed. The smartest guy in aviation is a
pretty slow learner.
See, if you have any speed on, your wing is developing lift and without
any weight on the tire, it's really easy to lock it up and blow the tire.
One trick that I do not recommend - but I do all the time - is to dump
the flaps immediately after touchdown. Less lift, more weight on the
tires. But please don't do it. You're going to grab the gear lever, and
raise the gear on the runway. All sorts of Air Canada pilots used to
routinely do that at the Ottawa Flying Club, and they tell me that they
are the best pilots in Canada, and I believe them, so Canadian pilots
can't do it. Ok.
Brakes on a little airplane are for runup and turning out of a strong
wind while taxiing, and that's it. Please don't try to use them at any
speed. You will lock them up and flat spot them and possibly blow
them. Don't do that.
Directional control is HUGE during rollout. Be advised that the
steering wheel is NOT your friend. Adverse yaw, dude. As you slow
down, stick over into whatever crosswind there is, every time. And
control your direction with your FEET. If you can't control the direction,
and you're headed towards the edge of the runway with full opposite
rudder and the stick is all the way over into your direction of weathervaning
into the impossibly powerful crosswind ... get on the power (at least a
burst) and get some air over the rudder, and consider going around.
Any time during a landing, if you ask yourself, Self - should I go around?
The correct answer is always YES. (homage to Jon Davis, Professor of
Mathematics at Queen's University. Compared to him, you have the IQ
of a carrot).
Anyways, hopefully this helps some of the newbies - and not-so-newbies -
and feel free to ask for a refund if this upset your delicate feelings. Try
not to be so deeply and professionally offended all the time, ok? No one
gives a shit what I think or say, and the same is true for you.
This Is Why Your Landings Suck
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The Sovereign I fly we see Vrefs and Vapp around 100 and 110.
Now I tell you what I love those speeds when coming into Rubberboot Sasketchwan 4000 foot "airport" but most of the time a CRJ or Airbus is eating my ass on approach into BigDick Metro.
The great thing about the Sov is you can do 140 to the threshold and slap the power levers back and as per Cessna rules of engineering she slows just like a 172 on and off the highspeed.
I take pride in this but some guy told me I was doing it wrong, that same guy has sent numerous aircraft into a go around because Controllers don't like two planes on a runway very much.
Glad I don't fly with him anymore.
Today my first born scion decided to christen the mix master with a one bagger due turbulence. As I'm exiting the runway he asked when are going to land.
Kind of proud of that one so I guess when the pressures on I can perform. That or overgrown freak of a 172 still is easy to land.
Now I tell you what I love those speeds when coming into Rubberboot Sasketchwan 4000 foot "airport" but most of the time a CRJ or Airbus is eating my ass on approach into BigDick Metro.
The great thing about the Sov is you can do 140 to the threshold and slap the power levers back and as per Cessna rules of engineering she slows just like a 172 on and off the highspeed.
I take pride in this but some guy told me I was doing it wrong, that same guy has sent numerous aircraft into a go around because Controllers don't like two planes on a runway very much.
Glad I don't fly with him anymore.
Today my first born scion decided to christen the mix master with a one bagger due turbulence. As I'm exiting the runway he asked when are going to land.
Kind of proud of that one so I guess when the pressures on I can perform. That or overgrown freak of a 172 still is easy to land.
5 out of 2 Pilots are Dyslexic.
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Buy a box of those one gallon freezer ziplock bags, and a roll of velcro tape.
Cut the velcro tape to 10 inches and peel the paper off one side and apply
to the bag, just below the top and parallel to the opening.
Now peel the other side of the paper off the velcro tape, and slap that onto
some metal inside the aircraft cockpit. You now have a ghetto barf bag that
you can rip off in a hell of a hurry, because people can suddenly barf without
any warning.
I remember one chick in Key West, she filled up two bags with Freddy in the
S-2C and barfed again when I drove her home.
Cut the velcro tape to 10 inches and peel the paper off one side and apply
to the bag, just below the top and parallel to the opening.
Now peel the other side of the paper off the velcro tape, and slap that onto
some metal inside the aircraft cockpit. You now have a ghetto barf bag that
you can rip off in a hell of a hurry, because people can suddenly barf without
any warning.
I remember one chick in Key West, she filled up two bags with Freddy in the
S-2C and barfed again when I drove her home.
Some people can fly. Some people just read "how to fly" books in the cockpit.140 to the threshold and slap the power levers back
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That's a good idea, for now we got a stack of the former owners official barf bags in the seat backs.
Never needed one for a long time but I call tell the youngest is going to stealing Grandpas Pitts first.
He was loving the bumps happy as a clam singing along to whatever cartoon theme he saw last.
Reading books was never my strong side, company I flew for got a new to them Cessna 207. I had about 3 hours on type when hired.
I had flown that thing all over the coast of BC and all over southern BC that summer. End of the season I brought it to YCW for an inspection.
The AME opened the glove box to find the POH still sealed in the wrapping from Cessna.
He looked at me and said "what the hell man I had to pay 100 bucks for that thing and you haven't even looked at it!"
I took the wrapping off and wrote the registration on the cover and put it back in the glove box never to lay eyes on it again.
Probably would have confused me anyway
Never needed one for a long time but I call tell the youngest is going to stealing Grandpas Pitts first.
He was loving the bumps happy as a clam singing along to whatever cartoon theme he saw last.
Reading books was never my strong side, company I flew for got a new to them Cessna 207. I had about 3 hours on type when hired.
I had flown that thing all over the coast of BC and all over southern BC that summer. End of the season I brought it to YCW for an inspection.
The AME opened the glove box to find the POH still sealed in the wrapping from Cessna.
He looked at me and said "what the hell man I had to pay 100 bucks for that thing and you haven't even looked at it!"
I took the wrapping off and wrote the registration on the cover and put it back in the glove box never to lay eyes on it again.
Probably would have confused me anyway
5 out of 2 Pilots are Dyslexic.
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POH is great reading - on the ground. Systems knowledge is like
money in the bank. Excellent reading when you have your feet up
by the fireplace. You can tear pages out of it to start the fire, or to
wipe your @ss. Marvellously useful - on the ground.
In the air, well ... if the gear won't come down, and you have 2 hours
fuel, perhaps it is time to get the book out. It's not like you have anything
else more important to do, right then.
On the other hand, if the motherfucker is on fire - or tumbling at low altitude -
I hope people know what to do.
www.pittspecials.com/movies/tumble.wmv
Back to decelerating approaches ... here's a really good exercise that doesn't
take any special equipment and is really focused at the IFR studs.
Get vectored as far out as you can in your trusty 172, flaps up, and intercept
the LOC and GS for your favorite ILS at say 100 mph - slow cruise.
Now, full throttle. Needles in the donuts. Let's see 150 mph in the descent
past the FAF. Better get that nose down to keep that GS happy.
Now throttle all the way to idle, needles in the donuts, back to 50 mph.
Now throttle all the way in, needles in the donuts, back up to 150 mph
just in time for DH with the needles just quivering.
Builds character. I was a fun IFR instructor. In retractable gear aircraft,
we would set climb power and up to PT altitude we go. Leave the power
set for climb and leave the gear and flaps up. Trim nose down as the
speed builds level. Here comes the LOC then the GS, and down we go,
still with climb power set, and we go faster and faster as we descend
and the needles get more and more sensitive.
You think an ILS is hard to fly? Try hand-flying it at Vne. Builds character.
Those needles are just bouncing around. At 200 feet, overshoot and with
all that energy and clean, pop right back up to PT and do it again.
I was a fun IFR instructor. Do that for a while, then take it back down to
100 mph and an ILS seems ridiculously fucking easy - slow motion. Now
you can stay ahead of the airplane.
money in the bank. Excellent reading when you have your feet up
by the fireplace. You can tear pages out of it to start the fire, or to
wipe your @ss. Marvellously useful - on the ground.
In the air, well ... if the gear won't come down, and you have 2 hours
fuel, perhaps it is time to get the book out. It's not like you have anything
else more important to do, right then.
On the other hand, if the motherfucker is on fire - or tumbling at low altitude -
I hope people know what to do.
www.pittspecials.com/movies/tumble.wmv
Back to decelerating approaches ... here's a really good exercise that doesn't
take any special equipment and is really focused at the IFR studs.
Get vectored as far out as you can in your trusty 172, flaps up, and intercept
the LOC and GS for your favorite ILS at say 100 mph - slow cruise.
Now, full throttle. Needles in the donuts. Let's see 150 mph in the descent
past the FAF. Better get that nose down to keep that GS happy.
Now throttle all the way to idle, needles in the donuts, back to 50 mph.
Now throttle all the way in, needles in the donuts, back up to 150 mph
just in time for DH with the needles just quivering.
Builds character. I was a fun IFR instructor. In retractable gear aircraft,
we would set climb power and up to PT altitude we go. Leave the power
set for climb and leave the gear and flaps up. Trim nose down as the
speed builds level. Here comes the LOC then the GS, and down we go,
still with climb power set, and we go faster and faster as we descend
and the needles get more and more sensitive.
You think an ILS is hard to fly? Try hand-flying it at Vne. Builds character.
Those needles are just bouncing around. At 200 feet, overshoot and with
all that energy and clean, pop right back up to PT and do it again.
I was a fun IFR instructor. Do that for a while, then take it back down to
100 mph and an ILS seems ridiculously fucking easy - slow motion. Now
you can stay ahead of the airplane.
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