In the USA any licensed flight instructor can start up a flight training business without the need for a FTU-OC that is required in Canadfa.
Anyone here who is against Canada droping the need for a FTU-OC and if you are against it why?
Canada VS. USA.
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vanNostrum
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Does having an FTU OC makes for better quality of training?
Is the quality of training in the US inferior to Canada?
Is the quality of training in the US inferior to Canada?
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Colonel
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[quote]Is the quality of training in the US inferior to Canada?[/quote]
Not according to TC. Remember, TC and the FAA signed
the IPL which grants reciprocity in pilot licensing.
You need a bit of perspective to understand this.
Canada is an irrelevant, tiny, backwards, bankrupt
country - think of Iceland - with all sorts of silly ideas.
These silly ideas are so ingrained into you as a
Canadian, that you can't imagine things being
any different. Not much different from being a
Scientologist, or a member of the Manson cult.
One of these silly ideas is protectionism, at the
cost of screwing the consumer. This is a very
popular idea in Canada. The milk marketing
board is a perfect example of this. You as a
Canadian pay ridiculously high prices for dairy
products like milk, cream, butter, etc in order
to protect Canadian dairy farmers, and pay
them more than they are worth. This screws
the consumer and no one cares. Canadian
milk is not superior to foreign milk, ok?
This brings us to the FTU OC nonsense, which
resulted from ATAC lobbying TC on behalf of their
flight school members, to create economic
barriers to entry for upstarts. Like the dairy
farmers, they want to charge more than they
are worth, and to screw the competition and
the consumer via regulatory means.
The government has no problem with excessive
regulation which screws the consumer. Look at
DC, which voted only 4% for Trump. 96% of the
government workers wanted Hilary, who likes
big government.
The FTU OC regulations are just more nonsense
from a wasteful Canadian government that couldn't
give a shit about the taxpayer. It just cares about
remaining big, and in power.
A great example of getting stuff fixed was Stephen
Harper dismantling the Canadian Wheat Board, with
it's centralized control right out of the Soviet era:
[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Wheat_Board]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Wheat_Board[/url]
The socialists in Canada screeched and honked and
wailed and hated Stephen Harper for it, but:
[url=http://business.financialpost.com/news/ ... in-bonanza]http://business.financialpost.com/news/ ... in-bonanza[/url]
[quote]More than $200 million has been invested in agricultural handling facilities in Hamilton since 2008, marking a renaissance of sorts for the city known as Steeltown even decades after the metal industry began slumping.
Like any economic rebirth, it is hard to point to one single catalyst. But the privatization of the Winnipeg-based Canadian Wheat Board four years ago and 2,000 kilometres away certainly stands out as one.
The Canadian Wheat Board, also known as the single desk, was established in 1935 as the sole marketing agency for Western Canadian wheat and barley.
“The CWB’s mandate was to pay farmers a base price for their grain, identify markets where the grain could be sold, negotiate the best price, deliver the product, issue advance cheques, and make final payments after the crop was sold,†David Emerson wrote in his CTA review. “If the wheat market went up, farmers captured the profits, and if the market declined, the government absorbed the loss.â€
Needless to say, the Conservative government’s decision to dismantle an institution that had played such an enormous role in farmers’ lives for such a long time generated conflicting emotions, with some farmers eager to embrace a free market while others worried that it would destroy their livelihoods.
[b]In all, 23 new investments, ranging from new grain elevators in Saskatchewan to major terminal upgrades at ports in Vancouver and Thunder Bay, Ont., were made. Not every project’s price tag was disclosed, but those that were add up to nearly [u]$500 million[/u] between Viterra and Richardson alone.[/b][/quote]
Good Canadian socialists hate Stephen Harper, but he
was sure right about getting rid of that Soviet-era nonsense.
In return, the Canadian voters tossed his ass out of
office and replaced him with Mr Selfie, Hairdo Dolly
who Thank Christ got his brains from his mother.
Not according to TC. Remember, TC and the FAA signed
the IPL which grants reciprocity in pilot licensing.
You need a bit of perspective to understand this.
Canada is an irrelevant, tiny, backwards, bankrupt
country - think of Iceland - with all sorts of silly ideas.
These silly ideas are so ingrained into you as a
Canadian, that you can't imagine things being
any different. Not much different from being a
Scientologist, or a member of the Manson cult.
One of these silly ideas is protectionism, at the
cost of screwing the consumer. This is a very
popular idea in Canada. The milk marketing
board is a perfect example of this. You as a
Canadian pay ridiculously high prices for dairy
products like milk, cream, butter, etc in order
to protect Canadian dairy farmers, and pay
them more than they are worth. This screws
the consumer and no one cares. Canadian
milk is not superior to foreign milk, ok?
This brings us to the FTU OC nonsense, which
resulted from ATAC lobbying TC on behalf of their
flight school members, to create economic
barriers to entry for upstarts. Like the dairy
farmers, they want to charge more than they
are worth, and to screw the competition and
the consumer via regulatory means.
The government has no problem with excessive
regulation which screws the consumer. Look at
DC, which voted only 4% for Trump. 96% of the
government workers wanted Hilary, who likes
big government.
The FTU OC regulations are just more nonsense
from a wasteful Canadian government that couldn't
give a shit about the taxpayer. It just cares about
remaining big, and in power.
A great example of getting stuff fixed was Stephen
Harper dismantling the Canadian Wheat Board, with
it's centralized control right out of the Soviet era:
[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Wheat_Board]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Wheat_Board[/url]
The socialists in Canada screeched and honked and
wailed and hated Stephen Harper for it, but:
[url=http://business.financialpost.com/news/ ... in-bonanza]http://business.financialpost.com/news/ ... in-bonanza[/url]
[quote]More than $200 million has been invested in agricultural handling facilities in Hamilton since 2008, marking a renaissance of sorts for the city known as Steeltown even decades after the metal industry began slumping.
Like any economic rebirth, it is hard to point to one single catalyst. But the privatization of the Winnipeg-based Canadian Wheat Board four years ago and 2,000 kilometres away certainly stands out as one.
The Canadian Wheat Board, also known as the single desk, was established in 1935 as the sole marketing agency for Western Canadian wheat and barley.
“The CWB’s mandate was to pay farmers a base price for their grain, identify markets where the grain could be sold, negotiate the best price, deliver the product, issue advance cheques, and make final payments after the crop was sold,†David Emerson wrote in his CTA review. “If the wheat market went up, farmers captured the profits, and if the market declined, the government absorbed the loss.â€
Needless to say, the Conservative government’s decision to dismantle an institution that had played such an enormous role in farmers’ lives for such a long time generated conflicting emotions, with some farmers eager to embrace a free market while others worried that it would destroy their livelihoods.
[b]In all, 23 new investments, ranging from new grain elevators in Saskatchewan to major terminal upgrades at ports in Vancouver and Thunder Bay, Ont., were made. Not every project’s price tag was disclosed, but those that were add up to nearly [u]$500 million[/u] between Viterra and Richardson alone.[/b][/quote]
Good Canadian socialists hate Stephen Harper, but he
was sure right about getting rid of that Soviet-era nonsense.
In return, the Canadian voters tossed his ass out of
office and replaced him with Mr Selfie, Hairdo Dolly
who Thank Christ got his brains from his mother.
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Chuck Ellsworth
[quote]Does having an FTU OC makes for better quality of training?[/quote]
No, in fact it is inferior to any country I have taught in.
[quote] Is the quality of training in the US inferior to Canada [/quote]
In my opinion yes
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I don't have a problem with the requirements for an FTU OC in itself, but more with the excessive long time it takes you to get an OC and/or to get feedback on your paperwork. Looked into starting a Canadian FTU pretty seriously last year, and it just wasn't practically doable. You need to have a plane basically sitting there for a year before you can realistically expect to fly it.
People do it, and very good for them, but the whole process is quite sucky.
I wouldn't mind if it disappeared completely either though. I don't believe it improves safety that much. It does give the government more tools to shut down shady business if they really want to though. So I guess that is a bit of a plus.
People do it, and very good for them, but the whole process is quite sucky.
I wouldn't mind if it disappeared completely either though. I don't believe it improves safety that much. It does give the government more tools to shut down shady business if they really want to though. So I guess that is a bit of a plus.
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Colonel
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- Joined: Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:31 am
[quote]You need to have a plane basically sitting there for a year before you can realistically expect to fly it[/quote]
I spent [i]six years[/i], trying to get the simplest possible
non-AMO MCM approved for a tiny FTU with two identical 172's.
Now, you could argue that TC has "special treatment" for
anyone with my last name, but I don't think that's exactly
an excuse. Frankly, that kind of abuse of office should
really result in dismissal - but of course, not in the Banana
Republic of Canada.
[quote]I don't believe it improves safety that much[/quote]
Of course. Any instructor or AME can tell you that.
All that paper doesn't translate to any improvement
of safety. It's just a tax.
[quote]It does give the government more tools to shut down shady business[/quote]
Not sure I understand that. Any time TC wants, they
can suspend a Flight Instructor or AME's licence. They
get great pleasure when they hire a process server to
track me down. Last time, TC had me served when I
was onsite with a customer.
I spent [i]six years[/i], trying to get the simplest possible
non-AMO MCM approved for a tiny FTU with two identical 172's.
Now, you could argue that TC has "special treatment" for
anyone with my last name, but I don't think that's exactly
an excuse. Frankly, that kind of abuse of office should
really result in dismissal - but of course, not in the Banana
Republic of Canada.
[quote]I don't believe it improves safety that much[/quote]
Of course. Any instructor or AME can tell you that.
All that paper doesn't translate to any improvement
of safety. It's just a tax.
[quote]It does give the government more tools to shut down shady business[/quote]
Not sure I understand that. Any time TC wants, they
can suspend a Flight Instructor or AME's licence. They
get great pleasure when they hire a process server to
track me down. Last time, TC had me served when I
was onsite with a customer.
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Chuck Ellsworth
If I see a TC inspector approaching me I know I am in more danger than if I am being approached by a common street criminal.
Far, far more danger.
Far, far more danger.
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Colonel
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Funny you mention that. I was at the airport last weekend,
doing some Pitts S-2C flying. Nice airplane. Always liked
that claw prop.
Anyways, got talking to an acquaintance of mine. He knows
I'm Canadian, said he once did an airshow in Canada in his
ex-military fighter jet.
He's a very reasonable guy, a very straight arrow. Used to
fly the U-2, so he's a decent stick, too. Used to train NASA
astronauts to fly the T-38. Very experienced airshow pilot
in many types.
Anyways, he thought he was going to miss performing in
the Canadian show and truck his home in pieces. TC jumped
on him and said his airplane was out of annual.
He replied, no, in the USA, the annual is good until the
end of the month. The TC Inspector said the FAA rules
didn't apply in Canada, and that an annual in Canada was
only good for 365 days.
He asked to see the Canadian regulations on this, and
the TC Inspector replied that it wasn't his job to look up
the regulations.
This is wrong on so many levels. First of all, FAA regs
apply to the maintenance of N-reg aircraft, even if they
are in the glorious [b]People's Republic of Canada[/b] for a few
days.
And even in Canada, annual inspections are good until
the 1st day of the 13th month!
The TC Inspector running the airshow was either totally
ignorant about aircraft maintenance, or a simply yet another
abusive bully, which is depressingly common.
It was embarrassing to be a Canadian.
I told him that was just how TC was - they were complete
assholes to everyone, and to not take it personally. Just
learn your lesson and [i]don't ever go back again[/i], I told him.
It gets worse. IAW his standard airshow contract, he did
some media rides. We all do them. TC tried to stop the
media rides, threatened him with doing illegal rides for
hire, and reported him to his home FAA FSDO to try to
pull his FAA pilot certificate. The FAA of course filed the
report from the TC Inspector with his panties in a bunch
in the circular filing cabinet, but still, thanks for the help, TC.
What total assholes at TC. It's not just me and my family
that they harass. This very reasonable American pilot:
1) had a nice shiny fighter jet, and
2) could skillfully fly aerobatics it, close to the ground
No TC Inspector will ever have the above, and their
big-belly jealousy towards those who do, is obnoxious
and offensive, regardless of how politically correct it is.
doing some Pitts S-2C flying. Nice airplane. Always liked
that claw prop.
Anyways, got talking to an acquaintance of mine. He knows
I'm Canadian, said he once did an airshow in Canada in his
ex-military fighter jet.
He's a very reasonable guy, a very straight arrow. Used to
fly the U-2, so he's a decent stick, too. Used to train NASA
astronauts to fly the T-38. Very experienced airshow pilot
in many types.
Anyways, he thought he was going to miss performing in
the Canadian show and truck his home in pieces. TC jumped
on him and said his airplane was out of annual.
He replied, no, in the USA, the annual is good until the
end of the month. The TC Inspector said the FAA rules
didn't apply in Canada, and that an annual in Canada was
only good for 365 days.
He asked to see the Canadian regulations on this, and
the TC Inspector replied that it wasn't his job to look up
the regulations.
This is wrong on so many levels. First of all, FAA regs
apply to the maintenance of N-reg aircraft, even if they
are in the glorious [b]People's Republic of Canada[/b] for a few
days.
And even in Canada, annual inspections are good until
the 1st day of the 13th month!
The TC Inspector running the airshow was either totally
ignorant about aircraft maintenance, or a simply yet another
abusive bully, which is depressingly common.
It was embarrassing to be a Canadian.
I told him that was just how TC was - they were complete
assholes to everyone, and to not take it personally. Just
learn your lesson and [i]don't ever go back again[/i], I told him.
It gets worse. IAW his standard airshow contract, he did
some media rides. We all do them. TC tried to stop the
media rides, threatened him with doing illegal rides for
hire, and reported him to his home FAA FSDO to try to
pull his FAA pilot certificate. The FAA of course filed the
report from the TC Inspector with his panties in a bunch
in the circular filing cabinet, but still, thanks for the help, TC.
What total assholes at TC. It's not just me and my family
that they harass. This very reasonable American pilot:
1) had a nice shiny fighter jet, and
2) could skillfully fly aerobatics it, close to the ground
No TC Inspector will ever have the above, and their
big-belly jealousy towards those who do, is obnoxious
and offensive, regardless of how politically correct it is.
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Colonel
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- Joined: Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:31 am
PS TC Inspectors don't think much of U-2 pilots,
I guess, but they aren't an easy airplane to fly:
[youtube][/youtube]
Sure would be nice to see a TC Inspector try to
land a U-2. Despite all their obnoxious arrogance,
none of them can even land a light prop conventional
gear aircraft.
I guess, but they aren't an easy airplane to fly:
[youtube][/youtube]
Sure would be nice to see a TC Inspector try to
land a U-2. Despite all their obnoxious arrogance,
none of them can even land a light prop conventional
gear aircraft.
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