On airplanes. Come on. They are suitable for a tractor made in
the 1920's. There will be no new causes of aviation accidents in
2020, but people will still be killed by carburetors in airplanes in
2020, guaranteed.
I don't own or fly a carbureted airplane. I fly fuel-injected airplanes.
If you fly a carbureted airplane, you'd better be an expert on
applied physical chemistry and endothermic and exothermic phase
changes.
Harry Ford was almost killed by a malfunctioning carburetor on his
Kinner in his PT-22. Violently planted it into a golf course.
I Hate Fucking Carburetors
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I should point out that although there are things I strongly dislike
(that regularly kill pilots) I don't like to think of myself as full of
hate.
There are many things that I like. For example, I like these:
No hate for those at all, ok?
(that regularly kill pilots) I don't like to think of myself as full of
hate.
There are many things that I like. For example, I like these:
No hate for those at all, ok?
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I’ve experienced some after market add-ons that really increased the performance, and one set that well it was really 2 different sets on one install. I mean, it cranked my motor, but it wasn’t putting out full power.
Twin Beech restoration:
www.barelyaviated.com
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The 350 on my 1970 Camaro came with a 2-barrel Holley. My
first replacement for it, was a cast-iron spread bore 4-barrel
intake manifold from the junkyard that I painted orange and
made a plate for the EGR. Rochester 4-barrel carb on top,
it had these tiny primaries and HUGE secondaries. Made
terrific sounds, great power. Great high school car.
Next up, Edelbrock came out with this new "Performer"
aluminum intake manifold - very early 80's - called the
2101 I think (40 years ago!) which had AWESOME flow bench
bench numbers compared to the cast-iron intake I had.
There was this mythical LT-1 OEM aluminum intake that
Chev put into the Z-28 but I could never find one in a
junkyard. I think Edelbrock started with that:
So I next went to the 2101 and it was AWESOME! It was
tempting to over-carburate but I simply didn't have the
cylinder heads for that much flow, so I went with a sensible
square-bore O-1850 Holley square-bore 600 cfm with
vacuum secondaries for great throttle response. In retrospect
I should have gone with the double-pumper 600.
The 600 Holley with the 2101 Edelbrock was a fantastic
street combination 40 years ago. Weight saving were
good, flow numbers were up.
These days, I would have swapped out the heads for some
high-flow aluminum aftermarket heads for even more weight
savings and power, and a matching roller lifter camshaft!
We didn't have that stuff, back then. I always looked in the
junkyards for some 2.02 intake double-bump small chamber
iron heads but I never found any.
It was superb training and great fun. 40 years later, I'm still
doing the same stuff.
I hate to admit it, but the next V-8 I do, is going to have one
of those aftermarket fuel injector replacements for the carb.
Two huge advantages:
1) no flow loss due to ventures
2) with an O2 sensor, the computer tunes itself for an AFR of 13.
See, the big problem with the Holley carburetor is that you
MUST fuck with it, to get it to run right. All sorts of fiddly
changes and tuning that just starts with the jets. Float levels,
etc.
Without a chassis dyno, you're fucked, though these days I
would install an O2 sensor and a data logger (with maybe a TPS
and MP and RPM) so that I could review the drive and tune
the Holley that way.
I pulled the chokes off mine. It did not like the cold. You had
to blip the throttle to squirt the accelerator pumps (another
adjustment on the Holley) to keep it running until it warmed up.
It was a pain in the @ss, but when you were a teenager in 1980
a new Holley 4-bbl on a new Edelbrock intake was a pretty neat
setup.
Dark days for automobiles, back then. Ralph Nader and various
communists like Jimmy Carter (huge fan of Pol Pot) had take over.
I was really unpopular. I didn't give a shit. Some things never change.
first replacement for it, was a cast-iron spread bore 4-barrel
intake manifold from the junkyard that I painted orange and
made a plate for the EGR. Rochester 4-barrel carb on top,
it had these tiny primaries and HUGE secondaries. Made
terrific sounds, great power. Great high school car.
Next up, Edelbrock came out with this new "Performer"
aluminum intake manifold - very early 80's - called the
2101 I think (40 years ago!) which had AWESOME flow bench
bench numbers compared to the cast-iron intake I had.
There was this mythical LT-1 OEM aluminum intake that
Chev put into the Z-28 but I could never find one in a
junkyard. I think Edelbrock started with that:
So I next went to the 2101 and it was AWESOME! It was
tempting to over-carburate but I simply didn't have the
cylinder heads for that much flow, so I went with a sensible
square-bore O-1850 Holley square-bore 600 cfm with
vacuum secondaries for great throttle response. In retrospect
I should have gone with the double-pumper 600.
The 600 Holley with the 2101 Edelbrock was a fantastic
street combination 40 years ago. Weight saving were
good, flow numbers were up.
These days, I would have swapped out the heads for some
high-flow aluminum aftermarket heads for even more weight
savings and power, and a matching roller lifter camshaft!
We didn't have that stuff, back then. I always looked in the
junkyards for some 2.02 intake double-bump small chamber
iron heads but I never found any.
It was superb training and great fun. 40 years later, I'm still
doing the same stuff.
I hate to admit it, but the next V-8 I do, is going to have one
of those aftermarket fuel injector replacements for the carb.
Two huge advantages:
1) no flow loss due to ventures
2) with an O2 sensor, the computer tunes itself for an AFR of 13.
See, the big problem with the Holley carburetor is that you
MUST fuck with it, to get it to run right. All sorts of fiddly
changes and tuning that just starts with the jets. Float levels,
etc.
Without a chassis dyno, you're fucked, though these days I
would install an O2 sensor and a data logger (with maybe a TPS
and MP and RPM) so that I could review the drive and tune
the Holley that way.
I pulled the chokes off mine. It did not like the cold. You had
to blip the throttle to squirt the accelerator pumps (another
adjustment on the Holley) to keep it running until it warmed up.
It was a pain in the @ss, but when you were a teenager in 1980
a new Holley 4-bbl on a new Edelbrock intake was a pretty neat
setup.
Dark days for automobiles, back then. Ralph Nader and various
communists like Jimmy Carter (huge fan of Pol Pot) had take over.
I was really unpopular. I didn't give a shit. Some things never change.
45 / 47 => 95 3/4%
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Engines are actually pretty fucking simple.
1) top end MAKES the power
2) bottom end TAKES the power
Whenever you see an engine build, you can see someone making
choices:
- cast crankshaft or forged?
- stock rods or aftermarket h-beam?
- cast pistons or hypereutectic or forged?
Block choice? Stock or aftermarket?
All that money you put into the bottom end doesn't make a single
goddamned horsepower. Well, the windage tray might scrape a
couple.
You put money into the bottom end to TAKE the power, and not
blow up.
Pro Tip: if nothing else, open up your ring gap. You will smoke a
bit, but you won't break a ring when you put the heat into the
combustion chamber.
The top end MAKES the horsepower, starting with the head. Look
at the flow number for the intake port - your max horsepower is
about 2x the CFM if memory serves.
Then, it's all about the intake that you choose, and the camshaft
which determines how far and how long the intake valve is going
to open.
That's pretty well it. Oh yeah, a nice exhaust helps the volumetric
efficiency.
These days, I'm getting a chubby for
You know you want it.
1) top end MAKES the power
2) bottom end TAKES the power
Whenever you see an engine build, you can see someone making
choices:
- cast crankshaft or forged?
- stock rods or aftermarket h-beam?
- cast pistons or hypereutectic or forged?
Block choice? Stock or aftermarket?
All that money you put into the bottom end doesn't make a single
goddamned horsepower. Well, the windage tray might scrape a
couple.
You put money into the bottom end to TAKE the power, and not
blow up.
Pro Tip: if nothing else, open up your ring gap. You will smoke a
bit, but you won't break a ring when you put the heat into the
combustion chamber.
The top end MAKES the horsepower, starting with the head. Look
at the flow number for the intake port - your max horsepower is
about 2x the CFM if memory serves.
Then, it's all about the intake that you choose, and the camshaft
which determines how far and how long the intake valve is going
to open.
That's pretty well it. Oh yeah, a nice exhaust helps the volumetric
efficiency.
These days, I'm getting a chubby for
You know you want it.
45 / 47 => 95 3/4%
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Flash backs of High School Drag Racing teams Chevy Malibu.
The clubs probably banned now due to carbon foot print and students being triggered by "blew a tranny" comment overheard from the garage.
Wife and mother in law arrived home today to find my 5 year drilling holes into a few scrap 2x4 with my drill.
Best baby sitter yet, shit he focused on banging nails and drilling holes for an hour straight while daddy cleaned the BBQ drinking beer.
Good kid, this Covid home schooling is great for him, I had him on my lap taxiing the Pitts the other day as well. (TC send fine to "Avcanada scholarship fund")
The clubs probably banned now due to carbon foot print and students being triggered by "blew a tranny" comment overheard from the garage.
Wife and mother in law arrived home today to find my 5 year drilling holes into a few scrap 2x4 with my drill.
Best baby sitter yet, shit he focused on banging nails and drilling holes for an hour straight while daddy cleaned the BBQ drinking beer.
Good kid, this Covid home schooling is great for him, I had him on my lap taxiing the Pitts the other day as well. (TC send fine to "Avcanada scholarship fund")
5 out of 2 Pilots are Dyslexic.
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