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going onto its back and entering an inverted spin at approximately 1,800 ft agl.

The aircraft continued to spin inverted until it impacted the ground.
How he got there is irrelevant. Once he was in an inverted spin at 1800 feet he
had it made, because that's the safest maneuver there is. I enter inverted spins
at MUCH lower altitudes.

Now, why did he not recover from the benign inverted spin? That's the $64
question. Was it jammed flight controls, like Vicki Cruise, or was he asleep
like Ian Groom?

My suspicion is either pilot incapacitation or broken airplane. We may never know.

He was a good enough pilot to recover from an inverted spin at 1800 feet,
trust me on this. This is me entering an inverted spin below 1000 feet:

Image

Remember, that picture was taken from the ground. And that's in an elderly
Pitts with it's tiny rudder. The monoplanes today have HUGE rudders allowing
pilots to do amazing things. Rob Holland will do an UPRIGHT FLAT SPIN which
is far more dangerous, down to 500 feet and then stop the spin and recover
on final and land out of it.

I would happily recover from an inverted spin at 500 feet in a sexy monoplane,
and drive away inverted.

I think this guy had checked out. If he was conscious, he would have stepped
on the opposite rudder and stopped the spin.
45 / 47 => 95 3/4%
JW Scud
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Colonel wrote:
Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:47 am
Now, why did he not recover from the benign inverted spin? That's the $64
question. Was it jammed flight controls, like Vicki Cruise, or was he asleep
like Ian Groom?
Never heard of Ian Groom. Maybe you know more. Here was a theory after his accident.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xp ... story.html
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Wow, has that been scrubbed from the internet, too? Everyone knew what happened.

Just wow. We live in an Orwellian world of censorship. With the help of technology,
the past is edited to conveniently suit the politics of today. Commissars of the former
Soviet Union would feel quite at home in 2020.
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JW Scud
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Colonel wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:03 am
Wow, has that been scrubbed from the internet, too? Everyone knew what happened.

Just wow. We live in an Orwellian world of censorship. With the help of technology,
the past is edited to conveniently suit the politics of today. Commissars of the former
Soviet Union would feel quite at home in 2020.
I had never heard about this pilot until you mentioned him. The article was written a few days after the accident. Admittedly, incapacitation is frequently thought of as a possibility after an accident, perhaps as a hope that the pilot did not make a mistake. I am thinking that right now as a possibility of a recent accident,

Bur I suspect this guy wasn't really asleep, so what happened?
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This guy was not awake when he started that inverted spin.

Or the rudder was jammed, which I don't think is the case,
because at 1800 feet you could pop the canopy and step outside.
45 / 47 => 95 3/4%
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