Inhibiting Oil

[Colonel]

I'm not allowed to post on AvCan (like a bunch of us
here) but there's a guy asking about inhibiting oil.

Can someone tell him that a Very Bad Person (tm)
uses a 10% Camguard cocktail with 90% W100 as
an inhibiting oil which can be safely flown with no
risk of carbon-buildup?

I know the moderators of AvCan are complete assholes
but not everyone that posts there should be punished
for the moderators being douches.

When an airplane is not flying - even for a week! - it
will last a lot longer:

1) inside a hangar out of the UV and rain and snow and ice
2) with at least 5% Camguard in the oil
3) a battery tender (NOT constant current)
4) with the varmints kept out

I should get sponsored by Camguard.  That shit is magical.
I do not understand how a corrosion inhibiter can keep the
valves from sticking.  Fucking magical.  Like a divorce,
expensive but worth it.

[Chuck Ellsworth]

[quote]I know the moderators of AvCan are complete assholes but not everyone that posts there should be punished for the moderators being douches.[/quote]


So far they have not banned me.


But I still post what I think and if they ban me I really don't give a fuck.

[Colonel]

Boggles the mind that they think you are somehow less offensive than I am  ;D

Work on that, Chuck!

[Chuck Ellsworth]

I have had many more years to learn how to be less offensive than you have but still be offensive..

[Slick Goodlin]

Is Camguard okay for certified stuff?  How does it work, does it make oil creep or just stick?

[Colonel]

Camguard is for certified aircraft.  5% for normal
usage, 10% for fly-away inhibiting oil.

I know 'way too much about oil additives.  I am a
huge cynic and skeptic, in case you haven't noticed.
I am not the sort of person that likes to pour anything
that ends in "ron" or "lon" into my car's crankcase.

But I know all about AvBlend and Camguard, both
of which are FAA PMA.

Let's talk about Camguard.

There was once a short, chubby bald guy that worked
for an oil company.  The VP's came to him and said,
"We want to make the best aviation oil on the market".

Foolish engineer that he was, he believed the suits,
and proceeded to analyze the competition, and after
considerable research, developed what he thought
was the best aviation oil that could be made.

VP's had a cow.  It was incredibly expensive.  The
suits said, "We can't sell oil that expensive".  So
the VP's copied another aviation oil and made
that instead.  What else do you expect of suits?

So, the short chubby balding engineer said fuck
you to the VP's and headed out on his own.

And he made Camguard, which you add to a base
oil, to make an incredible aviation oil, which the
suits didn't want to sell.

Right now I am adding Camguard to W100, which
not only inhibits internal engine corrosion, it stops
valves from sticking during periods of lack of use.

Bullshit, I thought.  More snake oil.  But the short
chubby bald engineer is a fucking genius, because
you can put 10% Camguard in engine oil, park it
for a year, and it will not stick a valve when you
start it again, which is fucking incredible.

He should sponsor me.  He makes an excellent
fucking product, and any private aircraft owner
is a fool if they do not use it, because they do
not fly their aircraft every day, and they need
to prevent internal engine corrosion, and stop
their valves from sticking from the stupid fucking
100LL we are all forced to use.

tl;dr

[b]10% Camguard and a battery tender.[/b]


PS  No one gives a shit, but nearly everyone's
normally aspirated aircraft engine would run a
lot better if we ran 100LL without the lead.

Only if you are over 30 inches of MP (ie turbo
or supercharged) do you need the lead.

For some reason, this information is guarded
by the aviation community like the crown jewels.

Ask Mike Busch.  He has forgotten more about
this shit than I will ever know.  Oh yeah, he's
a mathematician by training that made his
fortune in software.

[Tailwind W10]

I'm still a year away from first start on my O-360 hybrid (Lycoming / ECI / Superior parts) but I'd like to pick your brain if I may.


Do you have any experience with or opinion on Lycoming's LW16702 additive compared to Camguard?  SB446 makes it sound more like an anti-wear additive rather than anti-corrosion, and it's only calling out the 76 series engines, noted for galling parts after sitting for a while.  Would Camguard have cured that issue?[font=verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]  SI1409 calls for it all Lyco engines.[/font]


How about the multigrade AeroShell products that advertise they have the Lycoming additive already in it?


How about the AeroShell 'Plus' oils that advertise anti-wear and anti-corosion additives?


Do you use Camguard while breaking in a new engine?


Gerry

[Colonel]

LW-16702 is a horse of an entirely different color
than Camguard.

LW-16702 was required by FAA AD for those horrid
H2AD engines that Lycoming made for Cessna in the
172 at the end of the 70's.

I suspect it's got moly in it.  Or something very similar,
which protects the metal when the oil breaks down.

LW-16702 (and the "plus" variants) is for a Lycoming
which is very hot.  Camguard works very well in a
Lycoming which is not used in a very long time.  Maybe
Camguard has moly (or another anti-scuffing agent) in
it - never checked.

LW-16702 has never been advertised to have anti-
corrosion properties for engines that are infrequently
used, AFAIK.

[Colonel]

So when to comes to FAA PMA aviation oil
additives, there is

1) LW-16702
2) AvBlend
3) Camguard

All very, very different.

[Colonel]

PS  Note that since I moved away from the cold,
I run W100 year-round.  I never, ever will again
use that cat piss known as multi-grade.