Pakistan International Airlines Flight 8303

[Colonel]

There will be no new causes of aircraft accidents in 2020.

I know this pilot. Interesting fellow:

[Colonel]

https://bst-tsb.gc.ca/ENG/rapports-repo ... 0h0007.pdf

A Transport Canada Beechcraft King Air A100, serial number B-112, with two pilots on board, departed from the Ottawa/McDonald-Cartier International Airport, Ontario, on a visual flight rules training flight. The aircraft proceeded to Ottawa/Gatineau Airport, Quebec, to conduct practice visual approaches and landings.

At approximately 1430 eastern standard time, a visual circuit and approach to runway 27 was flown with the left engine at low power, simulating an engine failure. The landing gear was not lowered before landing, and the aft fuselage and both propellers contacted the runway surface.

The captain initiated a successful go-around, declared an emergency, and subsequently landed the aircraft at Ottawa/McDonald-Cartier International Airport. There were no injuries. The aircraft was substantially damaged.

Raining parts over populated Ottawa, the King Air that TC Inspectors bounced off the runway:

1) overshot like the above video (dangerous)
2) instead of immediately landing at CYND, embarked on a cross-country flight to another airport (insane)

No charges in respect of CAR 602.01 - or any other charges - were laid.

[Liquid_Charlie]

Back in the day I watched the ontario natural resources land gear up in Kenora, 2 pilots and I think the left seat might even have been their chief pilot. I was standing in the door of a DC-3 we were loading and my first thought(you need to understand the mind set then) who the fuck is doing a buzz job in a king air -- haha -- then the scraping of metal. They stayed on the ground -- good decision and I got an extra night in the bright lights -- worked for me

[Colonel]

I know this is an unpopular opinion, but ...

After an aircraft sustains unknown (but possibly major) damage, have
maintenance take a look at it, before you go flying again.

Perhaps they might be able to insert that 30 second lesson into the
80 hours required CPL ground school?


In my lifetime, I have had no virtue, but I have had quite a few airplanes
break on me, and for some odd reason, I am still alive. The lesson for the
newbies is the "Fog of War":

At the time, you will have no idea how bad the damage is, and how
quickly it is going to progress to something unmanageable. Very delicately
get it on the ground as soon as you can before that treacherous bitch tries
to kill you. Tell ATC what you are going to do, and everyone else can get
the fuck out of your way. I know, that's a 20th Century pilot speaking, you
might hurt someone's feelings in the process of staying alive. Horrors!

Only after maintenance takes it all apart, much later, will you learn the
true extent of the damage.

There will be no new causes of aviation accidents in 2020. Just people
that refuse to learn from the lessons of history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fog_of_war

von Clausewitz, of course.

If you're an EE, your paradigm can be non-deterministic filter and control,
with substantial noise on the input. A Kalman filter comes to mind.

I'm pretty stupid, aren't I? I certainly have no virtue to signal. Free
advice: instead of watching "Three's Company" re-runs this weekend,
check out this instead:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_War

“I always kept a copy of The Art of War on my Desk,”
General Douglas McArthur, 5 Star General & Supreme Commander of the Allied Powers.

“I have read The Art of War by Sun Tzu. He continues to influence both soldiers & politicians.”
General Colin Powell, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, National Security Advisor, and Secretary of State.

[Liquid_Charlie]

This is a classic

DC6

This is a pretty extensive report for 1976 but bottom line, you scrap an aeroplane and have damage you best stay on the ground once you get back to landing and damaged go arounds are a crap shoot with the dice loaded , Cranbrook is another classic example, although no damage but the results likely would have been less of a tragedy.

[Scudrunner]

So let me get this straight.

They "landed" gear up
scraped the engines
Go around
Engines go bang
Plane crashes

91 dead

I get that right?

[Nark]

By all accounts, that appears to be the case.

I wonder if Pakistan’s bureaucracy is slightly quicker than Canada’s TSB?

If only Airbus would warn you of a low altitude with gear up in an aural or visual fashion...

[Colonel]

Was anyone shooting at this A320? Did it sustain battle damage like the DHL A300 in 2003?

Was the wx really bad?

How about the GS - was it out? Did they try the dreaded non-precision approach I've heard about?

[Guest]

Is it true that this carrier has had 31 crashes in its history?

My friends on the “inside” intimated that this was precipitated by being high on the approach. To add drag, they selected the gear down but they were above the 260 knot speed at which the lever is deactivated so the gear did not extend. Worse, it would not extend once they slowed below this speed unless the lever was cycled down-up-down.
And to make it even worse, the GPWS warnings “Too Low, Gear!” which is triggered by the radio altitude was suppressed and replaced by the higher-priority “Sink Rate!”

[Colonel]

These are coronavirus deaths. Really. I'm not being facetious.

Did this airline reduce flights recently? A weak flight crew does
not have it's skill increased by not flying, despite the ridicule
I get from four-bars for flying multiple times a day in different types.

Add these deaths to the numerator for Comrade Cuomo.