Dual Time for CPL
Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 11:28 pm
This keeps coming up, so I thought I would
address it.
For a CPL, CAR 421.30(4)(a)(ii)(A) requires
35 hours of dual flight time, from the holder
of a flight instructor rating - [i]AFTER[/i] the issuance
of PPL. Not after PPL flight test.
Now, lots of people working on their CPL are
doing the right thing and getting float ratings
and tailwheel time, etc. Good stuff!
Here's the problem. If the CPL/ATP that is
giving you dual on tailwheel, multi, float, etc
does NOT have a current flight instructor rating,
that dual time CANNOT be entered into your
CPL PTR.
Of course, it is entered into your personal
logbook and it counts toward the 200TT
required by CAR 421.30(4)(a)(i).
ANY dual time received from a flight instructor
AFTER the issuance of PPL is [i]eligible[/i] to be
entered into your CPL PTR and counted towards
the required 35 dual.
Here's a small catch: if your flight instructor
is a cunt (technical term from the software industry)
he can decline to sign off the dual time in your
CPL PTR. I don't know why he would do that,
but I guess some instructors have to go on to
teach at the puppy mills, and become DPE's
and CAI's.
So, for dual flight time to be entered into a
CPL PTR (and thus count towards the 35 dual)
it must be:
1) from a flight instructor (TC CAR requirement)
2) from a flight instructor that will sign the
time off in your CPL PTR.
Hope this clears that up.
Remember, this doesn't make any sense. Float,
tailwheel, multi etc dual training is EXACTLY what
a CPL candidate should get.
Just because TC is a cunt and doesn't let you count
it, doesn't mean you shouldn't do it. Quite the
contrary.
There are two worlds: the real world, and the paper
world. Never confuse the two. Don't expect the
paper world to make sense. Just smile and eat that
shit with a spoon.
-- EDIT --
Just wanted to point out that solo (PIC) flight time
in a float / tailwheel /multi / etc [b]CAN[/b] be entered
into your CPL PTR. The CARs say it is eligible.
Again, you need to find a flight instructor that isn't
a cunt to sign it off in your CPL PTR.
I know this is really fucking weird. Get used to it.
We can't change it. Live with it. Learn to fly as
best you can, and push the paper. Don't argue,
it just makes TC get their panties in a bunch and
hate you forever.
address it.
For a CPL, CAR 421.30(4)(a)(ii)(A) requires
35 hours of dual flight time, from the holder
of a flight instructor rating - [i]AFTER[/i] the issuance
of PPL. Not after PPL flight test.
Now, lots of people working on their CPL are
doing the right thing and getting float ratings
and tailwheel time, etc. Good stuff!
Here's the problem. If the CPL/ATP that is
giving you dual on tailwheel, multi, float, etc
does NOT have a current flight instructor rating,
that dual time CANNOT be entered into your
CPL PTR.
Of course, it is entered into your personal
logbook and it counts toward the 200TT
required by CAR 421.30(4)(a)(i).
ANY dual time received from a flight instructor
AFTER the issuance of PPL is [i]eligible[/i] to be
entered into your CPL PTR and counted towards
the required 35 dual.
Here's a small catch: if your flight instructor
is a cunt (technical term from the software industry)
he can decline to sign off the dual time in your
CPL PTR. I don't know why he would do that,
but I guess some instructors have to go on to
teach at the puppy mills, and become DPE's
and CAI's.
So, for dual flight time to be entered into a
CPL PTR (and thus count towards the 35 dual)
it must be:
1) from a flight instructor (TC CAR requirement)
2) from a flight instructor that will sign the
time off in your CPL PTR.
Hope this clears that up.
Remember, this doesn't make any sense. Float,
tailwheel, multi etc dual training is EXACTLY what
a CPL candidate should get.
Just because TC is a cunt and doesn't let you count
it, doesn't mean you shouldn't do it. Quite the
contrary.
There are two worlds: the real world, and the paper
world. Never confuse the two. Don't expect the
paper world to make sense. Just smile and eat that
shit with a spoon.
-- EDIT --
Just wanted to point out that solo (PIC) flight time
in a float / tailwheel /multi / etc [b]CAN[/b] be entered
into your CPL PTR. The CARs say it is eligible.
Again, you need to find a flight instructor that isn't
a cunt to sign it off in your CPL PTR.
I know this is really fucking weird. Get used to it.
We can't change it. Live with it. Learn to fly as
best you can, and push the paper. Don't argue,
it just makes TC get their panties in a bunch and
hate you forever.