it seems, if the trend continues there is going to be a real dearth of class 1 and 2 instructors soon.
CFI positions? Giving instuctor ratings?
I doubt TC is thinking that far ahead, but I can forsee a reduction again in the requirements to hold a rating. Pretty soon class 3s might be able to do instructor ratings....
Or is there a solution in the wings,,( pun intended)
Class 1&2 Instructors
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mcrit
All of the class 1s and 2s where I'm at are either retired military/airline or currently working another flying job and just doing instructing for fun.
Same problem with the MEIFR instructors.
Same problem with the MEIFR instructors.
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Trey Kule
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So there is no shortage of instructors qualified to teach other instructors where you are?
What part of the country are we speaking about?
I understood from friends that Alberta is severally short of instructors outside of certain colleges.
Would like to hear about BC and Ontario.
What part of the country are we speaking about?
I understood from friends that Alberta is severally short of instructors outside of certain colleges.
Would like to hear about BC and Ontario.
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Colonel
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Ontario Region cannot possibly have a shortage of experienced
instructors, because it tells them that although they are [i]qualified[/i]
to renew their class 1 instructor ratings, they are not [i]eligible - [/i]don't
even bother taking the flight test, you will not be allowed to pass.
Given the above, you can see that it can be a struggle to muster
any sympathy for any so-called "instructor shortage".
Remember, the less flying that occurs, the less work TC has.
instructors, because it tells them that although they are [i]qualified[/i]
to renew their class 1 instructor ratings, they are not [i]eligible - [/i]don't
even bother taking the flight test, you will not be allowed to pass.
Given the above, you can see that it can be a struggle to muster
any sympathy for any so-called "instructor shortage".
Remember, the less flying that occurs, the less work TC has.
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Trey Kule
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My original question was whether there really was a shortage, as a shortage of class 1 and 2s will cause a decrease in new instructors, and a CFI problem.
Has anyone seen this, or....is there a way to pull the historic data fron TC’s website to see if there is a trend...although I expect that would only show licenses, and many holding the licenses might not be active...ie. hold the rating but not working as an instructor.
I am open to any suggestions how to source these numbers..
Has anyone seen this, or....is there a way to pull the historic data fron TC’s website to see if there is a trend...although I expect that would only show licenses, and many holding the licenses might not be active...ie. hold the rating but not working as an instructor.
I am open to any suggestions how to source these numbers..
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mcrit
[quote author=Trey Kule link=topic=8326.msg23025#msg23025 date=1524596820]
So there is no shortage of instructors qualified to teach other instructors where you are?
What part of the country are we speaking about?
I understood from friends that Alberta is severally short of instructors outside of certain colleges.
Would like to hear about BC and Ontario.
[/quote]
I'm in Ontario. We are a bit short on class ones and twos and people to teach Multi-IFR (I've been turning people away because I a bit to busy with the real job).
So there is no shortage of instructors qualified to teach other instructors where you are?
What part of the country are we speaking about?
I understood from friends that Alberta is severally short of instructors outside of certain colleges.
Would like to hear about BC and Ontario.
[/quote]
I'm in Ontario. We are a bit short on class ones and twos and people to teach Multi-IFR (I've been turning people away because I a bit to busy with the real job).
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Trey Kule
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Thanks.
I appreciate your take on Ontario
The instructors to train more instructors was my primary concern.
As you do not need an instructor rating to teach multi IFR, I would have thought there would be enough qualified people, that maybe just need to take some training on the schools syllabus and some teaching techniques
I appreciate your take on Ontario
The instructors to train more instructors was my primary concern.
As you do not need an instructor rating to teach multi IFR, I would have thought there would be enough qualified people, that maybe just need to take some training on the schools syllabus and some teaching techniques
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mcrit
[quote author=Trey Kule link=topic=8326.msg23067#msg23067 date=1524856654]
As you do not need an instructor rating to teach multi IFR, I would have thought there would be enough qualified people, that maybe just need to take some training on the schools syllabus and some teaching techniques
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From a theoretical standpoint that would work, but in reality it would be difficult finding an FTU that would do that. Also, it might be difficult finding good line pilots willing to work for the sort of wages FTUs offer.
This brings me to a bit of a divergent topic: Having flown both light piston twins and medium turbo props I'd have to say that the light piston twins are more difficult to fly. Engine failures come to mind as a great example of this. Medium turbo prop has plenty of power and autofeather; engine failure just after take-off is almost a non-event. Same situation in a piston twins and you're dancing to keep ahead of the situation.
As you do not need an instructor rating to teach multi IFR, I would have thought there would be enough qualified people, that maybe just need to take some training on the schools syllabus and some teaching techniques
[/quote]
From a theoretical standpoint that would work, but in reality it would be difficult finding an FTU that would do that. Also, it might be difficult finding good line pilots willing to work for the sort of wages FTUs offer.
This brings me to a bit of a divergent topic: Having flown both light piston twins and medium turbo props I'd have to say that the light piston twins are more difficult to fly. Engine failures come to mind as a great example of this. Medium turbo prop has plenty of power and autofeather; engine failure just after take-off is almost a non-event. Same situation in a piston twins and you're dancing to keep ahead of the situation.
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Colonel
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[quote]light piston twins are more difficult to fly[/quote]
You betcha. IMHO an engine failure in a piston twin at
low altitude after takeoff is generally fatal.
It's all about energy. If you have lots of energy (lots of
airspeed and lots of altitude) an engine failure in a piston
twin is actually no big deal.
If you don't have any energy (low altitude, low airspeed,
trying to climb) you are probably dead in a piston twin
if an engine fails. They are actually far more dangerous
than a single, during that phase of flight.
I have said before that I would prefer hot seats in the
C421 to the L39.
Pilots don't understand this. If anything goes wrong,
they just pull the control column all the way back.
All the wrong stuff is being taught to new multi-engine
pilots. I'm not allowed to mention this, but the recent
double-fatal instructor crash out west rather highlighted
this.
You betcha. IMHO an engine failure in a piston twin at
low altitude after takeoff is generally fatal.
It's all about energy. If you have lots of energy (lots of
airspeed and lots of altitude) an engine failure in a piston
twin is actually no big deal.
If you don't have any energy (low altitude, low airspeed,
trying to climb) you are probably dead in a piston twin
if an engine fails. They are actually far more dangerous
than a single, during that phase of flight.
I have said before that I would prefer hot seats in the
C421 to the L39.
Pilots don't understand this. If anything goes wrong,
they just pull the control column all the way back.
All the wrong stuff is being taught to new multi-engine
pilots. I'm not allowed to mention this, but the recent
double-fatal instructor crash out west rather highlighted
this.
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