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Re: In Lycoming We Trust
Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 2:43 am
by Colonel
We are shit compared to the Kings of Aviation.
We are scum, we know nothing, we can do nothing.
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Just ask Arlo or Wayne or Laird about me. I'm just
not a very good pilot, compared to a TC Inspector.
Ask any of the Big Bellies at Tower C or 4900 Yonge -
they will tell you I know nothing about aviation,
compared to them.
http://www.tsb.gc.ca/eng/rapports-repor ... 0h0007.pdf
Re: In Lycoming We Trust
Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 12:38 pm
by Chris
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A very long way to say "they forgot to put the gear down, crashed, got back into the air, and went on a merry flight over downtown Ottawa".
Good learning experience?
Re: In Lycoming We Trust
Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 3:14 pm
by Colonel
We all make mistakes. Yeah, they bounced a King Air,
gear up, off the runway at Gatineau.
But what really grinds my gears is that they didn't
immediately land at Gatineau, like any sane pilot.
Incredibly, in a severely damaged aircraft, TC chose
to fly over populated Ottawa. This tale could easily
have had a very different ending, one that the TSB
chose to not mention.
No sane pilot embarks on a cross-country flight over
a populated area in what they know to be a severely
damaged aircraft.
That's careless and reckless, and perhaps criminal.
But because they are the Kings of Aviation, it's ok.
Revolting.
We are scum, compared to them, remember.
Re: In Lycoming We Trust
Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 3:20 pm
by John Swallow
While doing circuits in a T-Bird years ago, a friend of mine landed wheels-up. When asked by the Base Commander at the bar that night: "What happened?", my friend went right to the heart of the problem which shortened the Investigation considerably: "I guess I forgot to put the wheels down"
Regardless of the number of prompts in a checklist, just before I flash across the button, there is a final visual check of the gear indicators. I imagine I'm not alone...
J
Re: In Lycoming We Trust
Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 3:29 pm
by Colonel
Everyone makes mistakes. Any pilot that
tells you he doesn't make mistakes is either
a liar, or doesn't fly.
It how you deal with your mistakes, and other
difficult situations, that matters.
Re: In Lycoming We Trust
Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 3:39 pm
by ScudRunner-d95
[quote author=John Swallow link=topic=5503.msg14348#msg14348 date=1485616850]
While doing circuits in a T-Bird years ago, a friend of mine landed wheels-up. When asked by the Base Commander at the bar that night: "What happened?", my friend went right to the heart of the problem which shortened the Investigation considerably: "I guess I forgot to put the wheels down"
Regardless of the number of prompts in a checklist, just before I flash across the button, there is a final visual check of the gear indicators. I imagine I'm not alone...
J
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Yup usually at my DH or Visual Callout I glance over to confirm the 3 green are still indicating.
Re: In Lycoming We Trust
Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 6:25 pm
by Colonel
At least in the airplanes I fly, the gear makes a
big difference to the drag.
If I forget to put the gear down, and I'm on final
with the throttle pulled all the way back desperately
trying to get the speed down ... guess what I forgot?
The horn should really come on, but ...
Not that I've ever done that (ahem). A "friend"
told me about that. That sound plausible?
I'm a really big fan of having some known, nominal
configurations of aircraft that you fly, for approach.
Just a few. This isn't hard.
You set the flaps to X, the gear to Y, the power to Z,
you should see airspeed A and descent rate B.
If you don't, there is something horribly wrong. You
are not flying the same airplane. Did you climb in
the wrong one?
Re: In Lycoming We Trust
Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 7:42 pm
by Chuck Ellsworth
A great amount of my flying was in amphibious aircraft so making sure the gear was down for landing would not have worked to well for a water landing.
My last check before every landing was.
WHERE AM I LANDING, AND WHERE IS MY GEAR.
That worked forevery landing.