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Re: DC-3 Type Rating

Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:43 pm
by Chuck Ellsworth
There's a saying about milk and a cow, but I can't remember it.
Here let me help you out.

It is a true saying regarding marriage.

Why buy the cow if you can get the milk for nothing.

Re: DC-3 Type Rating

Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:46 pm
by Chuck Ellsworth
As for the DC3.

Of all the airplanes I flew during my career the DC3 is by far my favorite, I flew them for over 5000 hours.

My second favorite is the Turbo Commander.

My third is the Stearman.

Re: DC-3 Type Rating

Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 12:22 am
by Colonel
Interesting collection of airplanes, Chuck!

I was trying to explain why I like some airplanes ... in no particular order
here are some characteristics I subjectively like:

1) it goes very fast
2) it goes very slow
3) it has wonderful, light, balanced flight controls that are very effective
4) great power to weight ratio. Enough thrust to consume all your fuel in a matter of minutes.
5) low drag - esp under high G (low induced drag at high alpha)
6) low wing loading ==> it turns like a bandit
7) high wing loading ==> a great ride in the bumps
8) ridiculously strong airframe. Design G at least +/- 15G, Ultimate (yield) at +/-30G.
9) tailwheel
10) tube & fabric
11) radial engine
12) biplane
13) great visibility. Either an open cockpit, or a bubble canopy.
14) stick - not a steering wheel - in your right hand
15) throttle(s) in your left hand
16) light rudder pedals with stirrups and long, smooth, light travel (T-34 was the worst)

Now, you're never going to find an airplane that ticks all the boxes, but you might get some.

PS People can roll their eyes about "open cockpit" but one day, my friend Bobby
didn't latch the canopy on his L39 and guess what he did. Yup, lost the canopy
on takeoff - I didn't see it, my wife actually did - and he drove around the pattern
at 200+ knots with an open cockpit. Said it was kind of breezy. Perfect landing.

Dear Old Dad was pretty impressed. Everyone he knew in the RCAF that lost a canopy
(Sabre, -104, etc) ejected and had a pretty bad day, all around.

Bobby makes me look normal. TC hates him even more than me. After he dies,
I have some incredible stories to tell. Some of them might even be true.

-- EDIT --

The most precious airplane, regardless of it's score on the list above, is probably
the one about to become extinct. I know I'm really weird, but I want to fly airplanes
that are soon going to disappear forever. That is precious knowledge to me. I know,
I should get another hobby like motorcycles or guns or dogs.

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Re: DC-3 Type Rating

Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 12:37 am
by Chuck Ellsworth
Describing what your favorite airplane fells like to fly is like trying to put into words the feelings you got with your first piece of tail Colonel.

The DC3 is that kind of experience, it handles like a dream in flight and is awesome to sit in on the ground as are sitting so high above the ground you think you are already flying.

The best advice I can give you is find someone who will take you for a ride in one and let you fly it.

I guarantee you it will be like your first piece of tail.

Re: DC-3 Type Rating

Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 12:41 am
by Colonel
VanN pointed me at this:

https://incredible-adventures.com/dc3.html

It's just down I-5 from me. I need to call them and ask if they have hangar space for a biplane.

I know there's probably something wrong with me, Chuck but ... I want to roll it. Seriously.

Re: DC-3 Type Rating

Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:52 pm
by Chuck Ellsworth
I know there's probably something wrong with me, Chuck but ... I want to roll it. Seriously.
That is a natural thing for a real pilot Colonel.

It rolls just fine.

Re: DC-3 Type Rating

Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 6:26 pm
by Scudrunner
David MacRay wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 4:28 pm Plus a guy can get this real nice one for just a bit more than the cost of a C-185.

https://www.controller.com/listing/for- ... n-aircraft

That’s 172 money these days.
Colonel wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 6:21 am
only I had 36K to blow
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What the heck are those red things on that Tesla?

Re: DC-3 Type Rating

Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 7:17 pm
by Colonel
Those are stickers which indicate that it can legally drive in the HOV
lane, one person, any hours.

See, a Tesla is genius marketing. It allows you to signal that you're
rich, yet environmentally conscious. Brilliant.

Re: DC-3 Type Rating

Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 9:51 pm
by Colonel
Why hasn't anyone done this with a DC-3?


Re: DC-3 Type Rating

Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 9:53 pm
by Colonel
Don't tell me that a DC-3 is too big to do an airshow ... here's
an old 20th century pilot flying a Herc in Europe:



I'll bet that old guy doesn't have a facebook page - or any virtue
to signal - but he's a fucking AWESOME stick.

Gimme a week with an empty BT-67 and I'll bet I could put on a
decent show ....