The over-run specialists Lionair are at it again!
http://avherald.com/h?article=4943ea21&opt=0
A 9843' (3000m) runway with a 131' (40m) stopway is still not long enough for them! The runway they landed on even has an ILS.
Probably another high/fast/long landing.
A few years ago I was debating people who were defending this company on another Forum.
I asked them:-
How many Indonesian Captains will make a go-around from an unstabilised approach?
How many Indonesian Captains will make a go-around if the F/O tells them to?
Never did get an answer to my questions.
Just another day in Asia - 2016 edition
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Colonel
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Only touch down halfway down the runway if the MF is on fire!
On Feb 18th, I said here:
[quote]Ask the guy that crashed a T-33 800 feet short of
an 8000 foot runway at YHM about it.
You wouldn't believe the number of four-bars that
have run off the end of runway 07/25 at CYOW
because they insisted on coming in too fast and
wouldn't overshoot.
Anyone remember the time Air France tried to land
at Pearson in horrible wx (no overshoot or divert,
of course) and came in hot and landed long and
destroyed the A340 in the ravine and let the pax
out on the 400? I am not making this up. Nice
people driving down the highway stopped and
picked them up and drove them back to the terminal.
More than once, Porter pilots have scared the shit
out of themselves, landing fast and long at the
Island and using all (and I mean all) of the runway.
[b]Control the airspeed on final - even (and especially!)
when the wx is shit.[/b]
It is the hallmark of a professional and if there is
ONE THING you learn from all my rants here, make
it that[/quote]
Then on Feb 20th, a B737 ran off the end of a runway
after an approach with a Cb in the vicinity.
On Feb 18th, I said here:
[quote]Ask the guy that crashed a T-33 800 feet short of
an 8000 foot runway at YHM about it.
You wouldn't believe the number of four-bars that
have run off the end of runway 07/25 at CYOW
because they insisted on coming in too fast and
wouldn't overshoot.
Anyone remember the time Air France tried to land
at Pearson in horrible wx (no overshoot or divert,
of course) and came in hot and landed long and
destroyed the A340 in the ravine and let the pax
out on the 400? I am not making this up. Nice
people driving down the highway stopped and
picked them up and drove them back to the terminal.
More than once, Porter pilots have scared the shit
out of themselves, landing fast and long at the
Island and using all (and I mean all) of the runway.
[b]Control the airspeed on final - even (and especially!)
when the wx is shit.[/b]
It is the hallmark of a professional and if there is
ONE THING you learn from all my rants here, make
it that[/quote]
Then on Feb 20th, a B737 ran off the end of a runway
after an approach with a Cb in the vicinity.
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David MacRay
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Why don't they make the runways longer?
We need that husky dog bad joke face as an emoji.
We need that husky dog bad joke face as an emoji.
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Colonel
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- Joined: Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:31 am
[quote]Why don't they make the runways longer? [/quote]
Don't laugh! It's now a requirement to put that
mush at the end of all certified runways for the
inevitable takeoff overruns and long landings.
[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineere ... tor_system]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineere ... tor_system[/url]
In a former life, I was the airport manager of
a certified aerodrome. You know, an airport.
TC was shitting on me to install all sorts of
crap like this, so I had the airport certificate
cancelled, and now it's just registered.
Four-bars love that stuff. Look at "incidents"
in the URL above, and you can see them regularly
using it.
Don't laugh! It's now a requirement to put that
mush at the end of all certified runways for the
inevitable takeoff overruns and long landings.
[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineere ... tor_system]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineere ... tor_system[/url]
In a former life, I was the airport manager of
a certified aerodrome. You know, an airport.
TC was shitting on me to install all sorts of
crap like this, so I had the airport certificate
cancelled, and now it's just registered.
Four-bars love that stuff. Look at "incidents"
in the URL above, and you can see them regularly
using it.
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David MacRay
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That's what makes it funny. Especially with my dry delivery. We need a neutral face triggered by this. :/
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Colonel
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[quote]FAA Advisory Circular 150/5220 explains that an EMAS may not be effective for incidents involving aircraft of less than 25,000 pounds weight[/quote]
At my tiny, certified airport, we had a runway 4,000
feet long, and 99.999999% of the aircraft were under
12,500. I struggle to think of the last time an aircraft
over 25,000 pounds landed there, in the last quarter
century.
Regardless, the TC brain trust wanted us to spend
millions of dollars installing this runway overrun crap,
to keep the airport certified. What an incredible waste
of money.
Sometime I really wish they would stop smoking crack
in Tower C and 4900 Yonge St.
At my tiny, certified airport, we had a runway 4,000
feet long, and 99.999999% of the aircraft were under
12,500. I struggle to think of the last time an aircraft
over 25,000 pounds landed there, in the last quarter
century.
Regardless, the TC brain trust wanted us to spend
millions of dollars installing this runway overrun crap,
to keep the airport certified. What an incredible waste
of money.
Sometime I really wish they would stop smoking crack
in Tower C and 4900 Yonge St.
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digits
[quote author=Colonel Sanders link=topic=2179.msg6804#msg6804 date=1456156203]
[quote]Why don't they make the runways longer? [/quote]
Don't laugh! It's now a requirement to put that
mush at the end of all certified runways for the
inevitable takeoff overruns and long landings.
[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineere ... tor_system]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineere ... tor_system[/url]
In a former life, I was the airport manager of
a certified aerodrome. You know, an airport.
TC was shitting on me to install all sorts of
crap like this, so I had the airport certificate
cancelled, and now it's just registered.
Four-bars love that stuff. Look at "incidents"
in the URL above, and you can see them regularly
using it.
[/quote]
And now we wait untill someone breaks his landing gear touching down in that area >:D
[quote]Why don't they make the runways longer? [/quote]
Don't laugh! It's now a requirement to put that
mush at the end of all certified runways for the
inevitable takeoff overruns and long landings.
[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineere ... tor_system]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineere ... tor_system[/url]
In a former life, I was the airport manager of
a certified aerodrome. You know, an airport.
TC was shitting on me to install all sorts of
crap like this, so I had the airport certificate
cancelled, and now it's just registered.
Four-bars love that stuff. Look at "incidents"
in the URL above, and you can see them regularly
using it.
[/quote]
And now we wait untill someone breaks his landing gear touching down in that area >:D
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CpnCrunch
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I was chatting to someone yesterday about a recent runway overrun in a Navajo landing on a 5000ft runway (which it appears was due to multiple levels of stupidity, and got the pilot fired). He said that this particular outfit has actually had 3 overruns exactly like this (but only one made the news).
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Eric Janson
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They're at it again....
http://avherald.com/h?article=49666e3e&opt=0
Amazing that nobody got killed!
There is no Safety Culture in that part of the World.
http://avherald.com/h?article=49666e3e&opt=0
Amazing that nobody got killed!
There is no Safety Culture in that part of the World.
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