Forum Fight!!!

[Colonel]

I know I should stop beating the dead horse, but ...

The worst airshow accident of 2015 was a Hunter
at Shoreham, England.

[url=https://assets.digital.cabinet-office.g ... G-BXFI.pdf]https://assets.digital.cabinet-office.g ... G-BXFI.pdf[/url]

[quote]The aircraft then pitched up into a manoeuvre with both a vertical component and roll to the left, becoming almost fully inverted at the apex of the manoeuvre at a height of approximately 2,600 ft amsl.

During the descent the aircraft accelerated and the nose was raised but the aircraft did not achieve level flight before it struck the westbound carriageway of the A27 at its junction with Old Shoreham Road.[/quote]

Yup, he pulled through from a split-s at low altitude,
the way TC wants you to do it.  He's dead now, and
so are a shitload of people on the ground.

Now, this guy was a Super-Stud.  The Regulator loved
him.  Ex-mil and four bars.

And he didn't have a clue about surface acro.

Neither does TC.

Please don't split-s like them.  It's a really bad idea.

[Colonel]

Another low-altitude split-s, this time from 1670 AGL:


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TC may think it's a great idea, but the rest of us sure
as hell don't.  It's extremely dangerous, and is a typical
newbie mistake, and it's the first thing you are taught
to NEVER DO, in an unusual attitude recovery course.

[Cdnpilot77]

People people people....there is really only one thing in this world to cause a fight Aaaaand....


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[JMACK]

Another low-altitude split-s, this time from 1670 AGL:


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TC may think it's a great idea, but the rest of us sure
as hell don't.  It's extremely dangerous, and is a typical
newbie mistake, and it's the first thing you are taught
to NEVER DO, in an unusual attitude recovery course.

Thank you for posting that! I had always thought that was a bird strike Eng fail Eject photo. Wrong airport elevation holy moly!


CS do you remember the Nimrod over Lake Ontario that thundered in? I wonder if he thought he was at Sea Level instead Lake Ontario level at what 500' ASLish.


Very interesting again TY.........J

[Colonel]

Wrong airport elevation

It's a little bit more complicated than that.

All airshow pilots dial in 0 on their altimeters
at runway elevation so they do everything AGL. 

We do not care where the sea is.

However there is only 3 inches of mercury
adjustment (28 to 31 inches) on a standard
altitmeter so you CANNOT zero a normal
altimeter at high altitude airports.

So, at high altitude airports, you have to do
mental arithmetic - another lesson coming on -
and he didn't get it right.

That's why they didn't cashier the guy.  He
got caught by a trap.

Nimrod over Lake Ontario

God, that's a while ago now:

http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19950902-0

[Strega]

I cant believe how much the mods on the other site are censoring now...  ridiculous.




Rookie and Mr Crunch,, Im still waiting for your accident reports..

[Chuck Ellsworth]

Yup, I seldom post there but I did on this subject and because I mentioned B.P.F. they culled most of my post.


It is the perfect example of selective moderating because of favouritism and or the subject of the comment p.m'ing the mod and complaining.....which I know B.P.F. does.


Now that he is at T.C. I am pretty sure some of the mods over there will favour him just because he is with T.C.

Hey Dave why don't you join us here on this forum?

[Air Mail]

I kinda wish BPF was here posting.  He's mentioned in almost every thread and accoladed superstar villain status as it seems.  As a quote I once heard, no one remembers nobodies.

To note, I don't know the guy but ffs I getting tired of hearing about him.  Perhaps make up sex is in order, gawd.

[Colonel]

superstar villain status

He voluntarily joined TC.  Without a
flamethrower threatening his family, to
the best of our knowledge.

After talking about his split-s recoveries
during multi-engine training  ::)

He will fit right in.

In life, you can choose to either be part
of the solution, or part of the problem.

It's readily apparent which choice he made.

[CpnCrunch]

[quote author=HPC link=topic=1970.msg6369#msg6369 date=1455204991]
Is there like a supr secret forum on avcan inside of flight training? I tried to click on the most recent post on flight training and it asked me to log in -- once I had logged in it said I didn't have access to that board or whatever.
[/quote]


That usually means the thread has been deleted.


Regarding the split s recovery: what exactly is the issue? I see there are a few reports of students doing the same thing, resulting in a Vmc rollover, and the recovery in all cases was a split S. One person said that the plane ended up almost vertical, automatically entering a split S, and continuing the split S seemed the most natural way to recover. If you're, say, 80 degrees vertical and have something like a 25-degrees-per-sec roll rate, how exactly is rolling going to help you? The only video I can find of a Vmc rollover shows the plane going vertically down:




Rollovers from wake turbulence and mountain waves are slightly different, as you're probably not going to end up almost vertical.