Wasaya C208 Missing

[ScudRunner-d95]

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[quote]A Wasaya Airways Cessna 208 aircraft was found this afternoon, after losing radio contact earlier this morning. Wasaya Airways said Canadian Forces Search and Rescue has located the Wasaya Airways Cessna 208 aircraft.
Members of the Northwest Region Emergency Response Team are assisting with search and rescue operation, along with members of RCAF 8 Wing Search and Rescue Technicians (SAR Tech).
The OPP said it is continuing to work with rescue parties as well as Wasaya and the Transportation Safety Board of Canada (TSB).
The OPP said rescue crews have yet to reach the wreckage due to inclement weather. A helicopter was sent from Sioux Lookout earlier this afternoon, but had to turn around due to heavy icing.
A ground search has now started, however freezing rain and poor weather is slowing down efforts. The airline said it hopes to reach the plane before nightfall.
Wasaya said there is still no word on the condition of the pilot. The cargo plane had one pilot on board, and no passengers.
The plane was spotted about 28 km north of Pickle Lake. It was en route to Wapekeka First Nation.
The aircraft appears to be in one piece, and there was no sign of smoke or fire, said Wasaya.
Just after 9:00 a.m. Wasaya received information indicating that the Caravan aircraft was overdue and no longer in radio contact, the company said in a release sent Friday afternoon.
The aircraft was travelling from Pickle Lake, Ont., to Wapekeka, Ont., a fly-in community, over 600 kilometres north of Thunder Bay.

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[Gravel Digger]

Sad news...I was hoping to wake up to good news of a pilot found safe.


Very hard time for his family. Be safe, all.


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[quote]The pilot of a cargo plane that crashed Friday north of Pickle Lake has been found dead.
A media release issued shortly after midnight by Wasaya Airways confirmed the bad news after a long day of trying to reach the crash site.
The release said search and rescue crews going in on ground finally reached the site at approximately 10:50 p.m. The pilot, Nick Little was found, but was not responsive and could not be resuscitated. Crews were remaining on the site through the night until Little’s body could be airlifted out.
“We are devastated by the loss of Capt. Little. We have lost a dear friend and valued colleague,” Wasaya Airways president and CEO Michael Rodyniuk said in the release. “Our thoughts and prayers are with Nick’s family.”
Flight 127, a Cessna 208 Caravan cargo plane, left Pickle Lake Friday morning enroute to the Wapekeka First Nation, but was reported overdue and no longer in radio contact as of about 9:20 a.m. Canadian Forces Search and Rescue based in Trenton advised police about 2 1/2 hours later that the aircraft was down and stationary in the Pickle Lake area.
A Wasaya news release issued Friday afternoon said that search and rescue aircraft spotted what appeared to be Flight 127, about 28 kilometres north of Pickle Lake.[/quote]

[Colonel]

I'm not as bright as the experts here - could
someone answer this simple yes/no question:


Wasaya has paper, and Buffalo Joe doesn't, correct?

[Chuck Ellsworth]

I just posted this on Avcanada in the " push, push in the bush " thread about this loss of life::

For some reason this site will not paste the post I made on Avcanada so you will have to go there to read it.


Forget  it I deleted my posts there because my comments will only start a no win argument.


When will I learn?

[Colonel]

I should not speak ill of the dead but did
this young pilot steal the caravan and take
it without anyone's knowledge?

That's the most reasonable explanation.

[Chuck Ellsworth]

Colonel, it seems that no matter what us hasbeens say on these forums it has to be wrong because aviation has progressed to the point our opinion is just plain out of date as we do not have the knowledge these new pilots have.


So lets just sit back and watch these same cause accidents just go on and on.


Fuck it it is not worth commenting any more because we are old school and thus ignorant of the new age world of flying.

[Colonel]

[quote]we do not have the knowledge these new pilots have[/quote]

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I must be missing something important.  Was he taking
a load of medicine to a critically ill group of isolated
people who would die within hours if he didn't go?

[Rookie Pilot]

Chuck,


If I misread you on this, fine, I'll accept at face value, but I'll be blunt over here, because we both know how many others choose to think, which is unacceptable to me. 


Why is what is seemingly acceptable at Keystone, Kasper, and even Buffalo  --- and  probably everyone. -- and I'm not here to debate specifics -- --- horribly evil at Wasaya?


It's either all bad everywhere, or get er done everywhere. I support the substance of your comments assuming they apply to all.


I choose to believe you intend them that way. Others seem to still be engaged in their version of the civil war, still.

[Liquid Charlie]

[quote][color=rgb(50, 61, 79)][font=Lucida Grande][size=medium]A young pilot has lost his life and true to AVcanada fashion and maybe mob mentality there is an immediate call for blood and finger pointing. Damn ! The circumstances are not confirmed yet. My observation has been Wasaya has become an airline with a reputation of [/size][/font][/color][color=rgb(50, 61, 79)][font=Lucida Grande][/size][size=medium][b]not[/b][/size][/font][/color][color=rgb(50, 61, 79)][font=Lucida Grande][/size][size=medium] pushing wx so why did this young man venture out and choose to scud run on this particular day. Was it ice, was it a failed engine, time will tell. We all know the pressures to go flying and unfortunately most are self induced. This is the pitfall of light aircraft. Pilot self dispatch system is flawed. Maybe having a discussion with a proper and licensed dispatcher could have been the one variable that might have prevented this accident. I watch it everyday with one guy flying and the next not. Ego is a very bad thing as is giving into peer pressure. Transport comes into play as well with ops specs that operators and yes pilots use the same mentality to be "legal" in their own mind. [/size][/font][/color][color=rgb(50, 61, 79)][font=Lucida Grande][/size][size=medium][b]Is it safe!![/b][/size][/font][/color][color=rgb(50, 61, 79)][font=Lucida Grande][/size][size=medium] is a better question! Not if it's legal![/size][/font][/color][color=rgb(50, 61, 79)][font=Lucida Grande][/size][size=medium]There is a weird anomaly and a misconception with airports like YPL. 300/1 ops spec intent is not meant for outbound dispatch but a tool to land if caught due to [b]unexpected[/b] wx. YPL like any other airport in uncontrolled airspace has VFR departure minimums and anything lower is to be conducted under IFR. Single engine aeroplanes on wheels should only be flown at minimum altitudes which will give one a fighting chance if the stove quits. As for icing, well I don't think anything more needs to be said.[/size][/font][/color][/quote][color=rgb(50, 61, 79)][font=Lucida Grande][size=medium]


This my post at avcanada


To put more bluntly - dispatch for all these small carriers is like a dose - it simply runs its self. For me I simply don't care. I will sit at home and contemplate my belly button and have a snooze. The young guys simply walk to a different beat and let the pressure to go flying (company and mostly self induced) to get the better of them. [/size][/font][/color]

[Chuck Ellsworth]

Charlie the problem for people like you, the Colonel and me is we can not communicate with this new age generation because the world has really changed.


Personally I am giving up on the whole idea of trying to make any comment on anything to do with aviation safety because regardless of what I post it only takes a few minutes and someone jumps all over what they "" thought "" I said.


The quick knocking down of the first post I have made on Avcanada in over half a year was unexpected in that what I said was my true belief on the subject....


...I believe the system is fucked up beyond repair due to the convoluted mind boggling garbage called the CARS that no one even TC can interpret clearly and thus there is a different rule for every operator based on " ops specs. ".


The last and most embarrassing insult is T.C. forcing operators to pound out tens of thousands of dollars worth of paper work to get their permission to work in this Socialistic nightmare of a country then once licensed T.C. forgets they even exist.


When airplanes like the Caravan crash and kill the pilot trying to fly in weather that " has " to produce icing everyone just shrugs their shoulders and says, he should have known better.


What happened to that bit about the " accountable executives " in the company?


Anyhow I have had it with these discussions because I will not accept arrogant demeaning comments from total strangers anymore.


So to sum up.


I don't know jack shit about safety in the flying business, I survived for over half a century by being lucky and now that I no longer fly it is to late to try and learn the proper way from these experts on these forums.