Eleven point two billion dollars

[Reddishlaser]

The liberal government of canada has awarded a new company called Skyalyne to train military pilot's in moose jaw Saskatchewan, when most countries are now using Drones and pilotless aircraft, another waste of canadian tax dollars to their liberal croonies in Ottawa, 11.2 billion dollars to a bunch of accountants and bureaucrats who know nothing about military training, Drones are the thing of the future , obvious by other countries investing in that domaine

[mcrit]

UAVs need GPS and a permissive EW environment. Those are two of the very first things the CHICOMs are going to disrupt when the time comes. We need old school pilots, lots of them, now and into to foreseeable future.

[Nark]

Without getting in to details on methods or sources: Canada’s UAS’s will be just fine when China or Russia turns off the GPS and turns up the spoofing.


I’ve personally been jammed and easily completed my mission.

For those who don’t get the privilege of encryption,: I hope you can dead reckon really well.

Jamming doesn’t scare me, spoofing does. (Non permissive)

FTUS is the future. (Sorry that’s a pun I couldn’t help)
Op. Inherent Resolve: UAS was instrumental for ISIS and also us. Without UAS we wouldn’t have been able to kill them as rapidly as we did.
You can see it daily in the battlefields in Ukraine currently.

This may seem contradictory, but hear me out:
Canada desperately needed to replace the Hornets. They’re old and junky. The F35 boondoggle is worth it for your mission requirements. It was the right choice.

With that said… the F35 isn’t the stopgap from older block to next gen air superiority. It’s a piece of the puzzle that is also filled with vipers, Growlers and Strike Eagles, UAS and of course the mightiest of war machines: the UH60.

I don’t know the efficiency of this contract, but it’s not a new concept. Most of the initial training bases here in the US are staffed with and run by contractors.


Further reading it’s run by CAE. They have been so balls deep in military training around the globe, this comes as no surprise.

[mcrit]

I see where you are at Nark. I was thinking more in terms of when people start breaking out the anti-satellite weapons.

[Nark]

I see what you’re getting at and love the carnage that would unfold.


Our mil birds use a mixed IRS and GPS to determine position. I don’t know what the other birds use,. I’d bet a timbit that the newest gen aircraft can still get to the target without GPS. Just wouldn’t be as sexy as Top Gun Maverick makes it out to be.

I bet the same discussions were had in the 50’s when they started using TACANS and went away with the radio ranges.

Also, super fascinating how aircraft found the carrier after flights. Let me try to find the YouTube on it. Way too complicated to try to explain, but it was really simple too.

[mcrit]

I see what you’re getting at and love the carnage that would unfold.


Our mil birds use a mixed IRS and GPS to determine position. I don’t know what the other birds use,. I’d bet a timbit that the newest gen aircraft can still get to the target without GPS. Just wouldn’t be as sexy as Top Gun Maverick makes it out to be.

I bet the same discussions were had in the 50’s when they started using TACANS and went away with the radio ranges.

Also, super fascinating how aircraft found the carrier after flights. Let me try to find the YouTube on it. Way too complicated to try to explain, but it was really simple too.

I hear you, and you’re absolutely right. INS/IRS could absolutely get a UAV to a fixed target without the need for coms (essentially a cruise missile) and there will always be a very large role for that. I was thinking more of striking mobile targets (I.e. close air support) in a peer level conflict where coms are denied (sat coms unavailable, opponent has HARM capability).

In addition to the above, I don’t see UAVs replacing TACHEL for battlefield mobility.

I’ll concede that UAVs are going to play a big role in what is coming, but the day of the manned aircraft is far from over.