[quote author=Chuck Ellsworth link=topic=359.msg1284#msg1284 date=1435288569]It is because they were not taught attitudes and movements properly.[/quote]
I wasn't taught attitudes and movements correctly and without any other external input it took me years before I realized I was doing it wrong and probably several months to do right. Primacy is a bitch but like the guy with the backwards steering bike I'm now rewired to do it right. I'm not saying I was bad before, I rocked my PPL flight test and I've always been proud of that milestone, but I'm worlds better now and would have been even better then had I known.
IMO the vast majority of students are salvageable. When I was instructing at a college I was often given students who had the system fail on them and the boss would hand me some ridiculous challenge like "Fix this guy in three flight hours or he's out." Great. Most of the time it was just a matter of where their eyes were and I never had a student get the boot so retraining IS possible. In hindsight, I just wish the school tracked backwards through the students' histories to identify which instructors were letting them down so that could be addressed.
I forget, does the flight test report form have space for the primary instructor's name and license number?
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[quote author=Slick Goodlin link=topic=359.msg1306#msg1306 date=1435338561]
I forget, does the flight test report form have space for the primary instructor's name and license number?
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Yes, the flight test report will have the [b]recommending instructor[/b]'s name and license number and it the test report including scores and comments go on his/her record as well.
I forget, does the flight test report form have space for the primary instructor's name and license number?
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Yes, the flight test report will have the [b]recommending instructor[/b]'s name and license number and it the test report including scores and comments go on his/her record as well.
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Colonel
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[quote]One fellow I recall had a ton of time in his book ...
Gives you a good idea how much training went on[/quote]
I get really tired of people going on and
on about pilot flight time. What a totally
useless fucking metric.
I have a lot more hours and logbooks than
I did 10 years ago. Am I a better pilot? No.
Am I even as good as I was 10 years ago?
I have my doubts.
Gives you a good idea how much training went on[/quote]
I get really tired of people going on and
on about pilot flight time. What a totally
useless fucking metric.
I have a lot more hours and logbooks than
I did 10 years ago. Am I a better pilot? No.
Am I even as good as I was 10 years ago?
I have my doubts.
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Chuck Ellsworth
Yeh, I agree that total flight time is a very poor metric of ability.
When I was Chief Pilot in quite a few companies including three 705 operations I never ever looked at a pilots log book when hiring them.
The way I figured it was if I was interested in reading fiction I would just go to a book shelf and buy one.
When I was Chief Pilot in quite a few companies including three 705 operations I never ever looked at a pilots log book when hiring them.
The way I figured it was if I was interested in reading fiction I would just go to a book shelf and buy one.
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Colonel
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[quote]You are probably a better pilot than you were before[/quote]
I have my doubts. Hey Chuck, do you think
you're better than you were 20 years ago?
[quote]increase in time suffers from diminishing returns[/quote]
This is what no one pays attention to.
The four bars will tell you that with
20,000TT they are twice as good as a
10,000TT pilot. What a crock. Skill
is asymptotic wrt experience:
[img][/img]
Skill on the Y (vertical) axis, experience
(flight time) on the X (horizontal) axis.
The curve is flattering (and untrue) for
older pilots - it shows their skill increasing,
when in fact the curve sags past the age
of 50 (or thereabouts).
The 100 hr victim of flight training that
was the original topic of this thread, should
have been at the start of the curve, when
it was rocketing upwards as experience
was gained.
I have my doubts. Hey Chuck, do you think
you're better than you were 20 years ago?
[quote]increase in time suffers from diminishing returns[/quote]
This is what no one pays attention to.
The four bars will tell you that with
20,000TT they are twice as good as a
10,000TT pilot. What a crock. Skill
is asymptotic wrt experience:
[img][/img]
Skill on the Y (vertical) axis, experience
(flight time) on the X (horizontal) axis.
The curve is flattering (and untrue) for
older pilots - it shows their skill increasing,
when in fact the curve sags past the age
of 50 (or thereabouts).
The 100 hr victim of flight training that
was the original topic of this thread, should
have been at the start of the curve, when
it was rocketing upwards as experience
was gained.
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Chuck Ellsworth
[quote]
I have my doubts. Hey Chuck, do you think
you're better than you were 20 years ago?[/quote]
No.
I have my doubts. Hey Chuck, do you think
you're better than you were 20 years ago?[/quote]
No.
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Colonel
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[quote]It's unfortunate if you feel you've stopped learning entirely, that's sort of a sad moment in life[/quote]
It's nothing to do with learning, and
everything to do with skill!
Ideally, a pilot should learn to fly at
the age of 10, so that by the time he
is 40 (and at his physical peak) he
has 30 years of flying experience under
his belt, to draw from.
However, after 40 I'm afraid that most
of us are not getting any faster or smarter
or physically stronger.
You would be hard-pressed to find an honest
70 year old pilot that had been flying since he
was 10, that would opine that he is a better
pilot at 70 than 40.
That doesn't mean he can't be an incredible
pilot at 70 - he does have 60 years of flying
experience in the bank to keep him out of
trouble. He can see it coming, before it's
even over the horizon.
He's just not as good a stick as when he was
40, and that's life.
We are born, we get better, we get worse,
and then we die. Nothing to get upset about,
it's just the ride that we are all strapped into.
You start out in diapers, and you end up in
diapers, unless you do this:
Given that most people don't want to die
in an greasy orange fireball, they are
choosing diapers.
Either is fine with me. No one lives forever.
It's nothing to do with learning, and
everything to do with skill!
Ideally, a pilot should learn to fly at
the age of 10, so that by the time he
is 40 (and at his physical peak) he
has 30 years of flying experience under
his belt, to draw from.
However, after 40 I'm afraid that most
of us are not getting any faster or smarter
or physically stronger.
You would be hard-pressed to find an honest
70 year old pilot that had been flying since he
was 10, that would opine that he is a better
pilot at 70 than 40.
That doesn't mean he can't be an incredible
pilot at 70 - he does have 60 years of flying
experience in the bank to keep him out of
trouble. He can see it coming, before it's
even over the horizon.
He's just not as good a stick as when he was
40, and that's life.
We are born, we get better, we get worse,
and then we die. Nothing to get upset about,
it's just the ride that we are all strapped into.
You start out in diapers, and you end up in
diapers, unless you do this:
Given that most people don't want to die
in an greasy orange fireball, they are
choosing diapers.
Either is fine with me. No one lives forever.
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