It's funny how different the PA-22 (nosewheel
version) and PA-20 (tailwheel version) are.
PA-22 was built for pilots with below-average
stick and rudder skills. However it was not
prone to greasers which is incredibly important
to pilots these days, because all they think and
talk about is their grandmother's hemmorhoids.
Keeping it straight (and keeping it on the runway
for that matter) isn't important, as we can see
from the news.
PA-20 on the other hand is a fairly short-coupled
taildragger and I am fairly certain that 99% of
the guys today with white shirts and four bars,
could not land it on dry pavement without
groundlooping it.
Because I can and its fun! :)
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[quote]the Pacer is a bit more of a challenge[/quote]
Yup - kinda like the Luscombe. Quicker
to swap ends than cub/champ/t-craft.
Best thing for all of these old taildraggers
is to get them on grass. I spent many,
many hours yesterday on the mower,
place looks like a f__king park now.
It's nice to have two perpendicular grass
runways. BTW, Can I use "perpendicular"
here? How about "orthogonal"? How
do people feel about logic analyzer
traces?
[img][/img]
I catch sh1t from the four-bars for my
tech work, but it's a heluva lot of fun.
PS Don't feel too sorry for me mowing
grass, and horsing hardware, I still got
to fly two taildraggers today:
M4-210C
DR-109 (roll rate is nuts)
But like you SSU, what the f__k would
I know compared to a four bars?
Yup - kinda like the Luscombe. Quicker
to swap ends than cub/champ/t-craft.
Best thing for all of these old taildraggers
is to get them on grass. I spent many,
many hours yesterday on the mower,
place looks like a f__king park now.
It's nice to have two perpendicular grass
runways. BTW, Can I use "perpendicular"
here? How about "orthogonal"? How
do people feel about logic analyzer
traces?
[img][/img]
I catch sh1t from the four-bars for my
tech work, but it's a heluva lot of fun.
PS Don't feel too sorry for me mowing
grass, and horsing hardware, I still got
to fly two taildraggers today:
M4-210C
DR-109 (roll rate is nuts)
But like you SSU, what the f__k would
I know compared to a four bars?
[quote]It should be noted that the tri-pacer (and it's bargain basement derivitive the Colt) were designed with the primary function of using old then current to produce piper parts to make something that would appeal to flight schools with Cessna's new 172.[/quote]
The Piper PA22 was first manufactured in 1950.
Central Airways had one when I started to learn to fly in 1953, it was the only nose wheel airplane in their fleet and was mostly used for rental because it had four seats.
Central also had a Cessna 170 and it was used for training.
Cessna did not manufacture the 172 until 1956 and flogged it under the banner of the " Land o Matic " gear and that started the easy to fly syndrome.
The Piper PA22 was first manufactured in 1950.
Central Airways had one when I started to learn to fly in 1953, it was the only nose wheel airplane in their fleet and was mostly used for rental because it had four seats.
Central also had a Cessna 170 and it was used for training.
Cessna did not manufacture the 172 until 1956 and flogged it under the banner of the " Land o Matic " gear and that started the easy to fly syndrome.
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[quote author=Chuck Ellsworth link=topic=198.msg572#msg572 date=1433637209]
However at this point in time we still should be able to hand fly any machine we are in....and that is where an airplane like a PA20 is very hard to beat as a hands and feet trainer.
I hope you read what I am saying and think about it in that context.
[/quote]
I get it Chuck. I like to think I can make any airplane do what I need it to do. In fact a few days ago I was out doing a spin lesson in a C 172. The stud was very timid on the controls and so the plane just sort of flopped around instead of going into the spin. So I told him you need to show that MOFO who is Boss >:D
I yanked that puppy good and hard when it stalled and she just whipped over and wound right up 8)
3 turns and a good sharp pull up and that's how its done :)
However at this point in time we still should be able to hand fly any machine we are in....and that is where an airplane like a PA20 is very hard to beat as a hands and feet trainer.
I hope you read what I am saying and think about it in that context.
[/quote]
I get it Chuck. I like to think I can make any airplane do what I need it to do. In fact a few days ago I was out doing a spin lesson in a C 172. The stud was very timid on the controls and so the plane just sort of flopped around instead of going into the spin. So I told him you need to show that MOFO who is Boss >:D
I yanked that puppy good and hard when it stalled and she just whipped over and wound right up 8)
3 turns and a good sharp pull up and that's how its done :)
[quote]
3 turns and a good sharp pull up and that's how its done :)[/quote]
Without a G meter in a non aerobatic airplane how do you know when you are over loading it?
3 turns and a good sharp pull up and that's how its done :)[/quote]
Without a G meter in a non aerobatic airplane how do you know when you are over loading it?
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[quote]
show that MOFO who is Boss >:D
I yanked that puppy good and hard when it stalled and she just whipped over and wound right up 8)[/quote]
You sound like a trolling fuckwit here just to wind people up. I am pretty sure the only puppy that you have ever yanked is Lil' Snoopy just above your berries. Rumour has it, Lil' Snoopy hasn't grown in proportion to your body so you tend to over-compensate with the nitwit aviation banter.
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[quote author=cloudrunner link=topic=198.msg588#msg588 date=1433704225]
[quote]
show that MOFO who is Boss >:D
I yanked that puppy good and hard when it stalled and she just whipped over and wound right up 8)[/quote]
You sound like a trolling fuckwit here just to wind people up. I am pretty sure the only puppy that you have ever yanked is Lil' Snoopy just above your berries. Rumour has it, Lil' Snoopy hasn't grown in proportion to your body so you tend to over-compensate with the nitwit aviation banter.
[/quote]
Hey what's with the BUZZKILL :o. I'm just trying to fit in. :(
[quote]
show that MOFO who is Boss >:D
I yanked that puppy good and hard when it stalled and she just whipped over and wound right up 8)[/quote]
You sound like a trolling fuckwit here just to wind people up. I am pretty sure the only puppy that you have ever yanked is Lil' Snoopy just above your berries. Rumour has it, Lil' Snoopy hasn't grown in proportion to your body so you tend to over-compensate with the nitwit aviation banter.
[/quote]
Hey what's with the BUZZKILL :o. I'm just trying to fit in. :(
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[quote author=Dingleberry Dickhead link=topic=198.msg589#msg589 date=1433705013]
Hey what's with the BUZZKILL :o. I'm just trying to fit in. :(
[/quote] You're fittin in alright ::) … Keep it up cupcake, I have some pent up frustration from a failed online forum relationship with your name on it >:D
*Edited to ensure an appropriate amount of useless emoticons were inserted.
Hey what's with the BUZZKILL :o. I'm just trying to fit in. :(
[/quote] You're fittin in alright ::) … Keep it up cupcake, I have some pent up frustration from a failed online forum relationship with your name on it >:D
*Edited to ensure an appropriate amount of useless emoticons were inserted.
[quote]
I've not had the opportunity to fly a PA-20 - does it handle similar to a C150 or 152, do you know?[/quote]
HiFlychick, the Colonel has given a pretty close answer to your question.
[quote]
PA-20 on the other hand is a fairly short-coupled
taildragger and I am fairly certain that 99% of
the guys today with white shirts and four bars,
could not land it on dry pavement without
groundlooping it.
[/quote
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