[quote]How did I blow it exactly?[/quote]
Get a degree, and you will understand.
[quote]stupid[/quote]
I must admit, that is [i]your[/i] area of expertise.
[quote]You think anything I write is remotely correlated to what I actually do[/quote]
If you insist that you are a liar that's full of shit,
I guess everyone will have to agree.
BTW, I am ashamed that I got the number of degrees
that PhotoFly holds wrong - he doesn't actually [i]have[/i]
three degrees - he has [b]four[/b] ;D
One of the smartest pilots I have ever met, which
admittedly is something of a left-handed compliment ...
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Chuck Ellsworth
Then there are some of us with no degrees and never even went to high school and somehow managed to be very successful in aviation, I have not had to work since 2005 and I live very comfortably and intend to for a long time.
Maybe flying is the perfect career for those of us who are stupid? :)
Maybe flying is the perfect career for those of us who are stupid? :)
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[quote author=Chuck Ellsworth link=topic=8659.msg23886#msg23886 date=1530846393]
Then there are some of us with no degrees and never even went to high school and somehow managed to be very successful in aviation, I have not had to work since 2005 and I live very comfortably and intend to for a long time.
Maybe flying is the perfect career for those of us who are stupid? :)
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Chuck in my opinion there is about much correlation between great wisdom and having a degree as there is holding a CPL or even an ATPL and being a great pilot. No guarantees and neither impart common sense which is far from common it would seem.
Pieces of paper are pieces of paper -- in both cases too often taught by the substandard who cannot even apply any academic theory themselves successfully-- and prove absolutely nothing by holding them.
ATPL's have crashed airplanes as we both know, and rooms full of PHD's have blown up funds, companies and entire economies as they did in 2008. Arrogance is a common theme to both, BTW.
In both cases too often the paper is about as useful as toilet paper and I give no respect to solely based on their title or academic credentials, but more on what someone has achieved with what they were given in life.
That is my position on it.
I have thought off and on about doing my MBA as a personal challenge -- I doubt I would find it difficult-- but it really has no practical basis in anything I am doing today, and I have so many other interesting projects on the go as it is. Besides I'm not sure I could tolerate an idiot teacher who really doesn't get how the business cycle operates, the political side, human factor side, the psychology behind it all.
I'd probably argue and get kicked out.
Then there are some of us with no degrees and never even went to high school and somehow managed to be very successful in aviation, I have not had to work since 2005 and I live very comfortably and intend to for a long time.
Maybe flying is the perfect career for those of us who are stupid? :)
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Chuck in my opinion there is about much correlation between great wisdom and having a degree as there is holding a CPL or even an ATPL and being a great pilot. No guarantees and neither impart common sense which is far from common it would seem.
Pieces of paper are pieces of paper -- in both cases too often taught by the substandard who cannot even apply any academic theory themselves successfully-- and prove absolutely nothing by holding them.
ATPL's have crashed airplanes as we both know, and rooms full of PHD's have blown up funds, companies and entire economies as they did in 2008. Arrogance is a common theme to both, BTW.
In both cases too often the paper is about as useful as toilet paper and I give no respect to solely based on their title or academic credentials, but more on what someone has achieved with what they were given in life.
That is my position on it.
I have thought off and on about doing my MBA as a personal challenge -- I doubt I would find it difficult-- but it really has no practical basis in anything I am doing today, and I have so many other interesting projects on the go as it is. Besides I'm not sure I could tolerate an idiot teacher who really doesn't get how the business cycle operates, the political side, human factor side, the psychology behind it all.
I'd probably argue and get kicked out.
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Andrew, I apologize for my hostility. I've met you, you're not a bad guy. Certainly you know more about flying than I probably ever will.
I'm dealing with an intensely stressful family medical situation.
This isn't a productive avenue to help that.
Wish you all the best. You have a wealth of knowledge.
Robert
I'm dealing with an intensely stressful family medical situation.
This isn't a productive avenue to help that.
Wish you all the best. You have a wealth of knowledge.
Robert
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[quote author=Eric Janson link=topic=8659.msg23829#msg23829 date=1530616545]
I wouldn't trade my 7 years at Buffalo Airways.
Things I learned there have kept me out of trouble flying large jets around the World.
There's only so much you can learn from a book.
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I'd hire that experience over two degrees any day of the week.
I wouldn't trade my 7 years at Buffalo Airways.
Things I learned there have kept me out of trouble flying large jets around the World.
There's only so much you can learn from a book.
[/quote]
I'd hire that experience over two degrees any day of the week.
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[quote author=JW Scud link=topic=8659.msg23934#msg23934 date=1531194884]
[quote author=Eric Janson link=topic=8659.msg23829#msg23829 date=1530616545]
I wouldn't trade my 7 years at Buffalo Airways.
Things I learned there have kept me out of trouble flying large jets around the World.
There's only so much you can learn from a book.
[/quote]
I'd hire that experience over two degrees any day of the week.
[/quote]
The "Buffalo Airways School of Hard Knocks" is probably some of the best education out there! ;) ;)
Nobody asked or cared about my education at my last job interview.
[quote author=Eric Janson link=topic=8659.msg23829#msg23829 date=1530616545]
I wouldn't trade my 7 years at Buffalo Airways.
Things I learned there have kept me out of trouble flying large jets around the World.
There's only so much you can learn from a book.
[/quote]
I'd hire that experience over two degrees any day of the week.
[/quote]
The "Buffalo Airways School of Hard Knocks" is probably some of the best education out there! ;) ;)
Nobody asked or cared about my education at my last job interview.
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I've honestly never understood what on earth a
degree from a University, had to do with operating
an aircraft.
There are many things you need to learn to safely
operate an aircraft, but I can't think of any that
you would learn at a University.
If you want to [u]Build Character[/u], become a hangar
rat and spend a year as an apprentice, wrenching
aircraft. You would learn far more in that one year
about airplanes, aviation and commercial activities
than you would learn in 100 years at a University.
Would you go to Oxford University to get a degree
in welding? Or crane operation? Both activities
require skill and training and are valuable, but I
don't think anyone at a University could really
teach you much about either.
It's important to remember that people in HR
could easily change companies, because they
rarely know much about what their company does.
Don't believe me? Randomly pick someone from
HR, put them under the hood and ask them to
land out of a hand-flown 0/0 ILS - not in a sim,
in a real aircraft. They ought to be able to - they
have a degree, after all?
degree from a University, had to do with operating
an aircraft.
There are many things you need to learn to safely
operate an aircraft, but I can't think of any that
you would learn at a University.
If you want to [u]Build Character[/u], become a hangar
rat and spend a year as an apprentice, wrenching
aircraft. You would learn far more in that one year
about airplanes, aviation and commercial activities
than you would learn in 100 years at a University.
Would you go to Oxford University to get a degree
in welding? Or crane operation? Both activities
require skill and training and are valuable, but I
don't think anyone at a University could really
teach you much about either.
It's important to remember that people in HR
could easily change companies, because they
rarely know much about what their company does.
Don't believe me? Randomly pick someone from
HR, put them under the hood and ask them to
land out of a hand-flown 0/0 ILS - not in a sim,
in a real aircraft. They ought to be able to - they
have a degree, after all?
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