[quote author=digits link=topic=8585.msg23616#msg23616 date=1529104256]
78 planes, 31 types:
[quote]
7ECA
AC11
B95A
BE20
C150
C152
C172
C206
C208
D112
DR40
G120A
HR20
HR2112
LNC4
NORSEMAN V
P28A
P68B
PA22
PA30
PA31
PA44
PTS1
PTS2
R200
R300
RALL
SA100
SA227
Stinson 108-3[/quote]
[/quote]
Where did you fly a Partinavia?
What’s Your Number?
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digits
[quote author=mcrit link=topic=8585.msg23618#msg23618 date=1529120584]
Where did you fly a Partinavia?
[/quote]
Belgium - EBKT. Local flying school used it for multi training. Kind of funny with a fixed gear ???
Where did you fly a Partinavia?
[/quote]
Belgium - EBKT. Local flying school used it for multi training. Kind of funny with a fixed gear ???
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digits
[quote author=Colonel Sanders link=topic=8585.msg23619#msg23619 date=1529124571]
I checked myself out in a P136.
[/quote]
Wouldn't mind adding that one to my list, or any other vintage types you fly for that matter.....
I checked myself out in a P136.
[/quote]
Wouldn't mind adding that one to my list, or any other vintage types you fly for that matter.....
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Colonel
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One thing that drives me nuts is that TC tells you to never, ever
fly a broken airplane. Even the most trivial fault with an aircraft
is sure to result in severe regulatory consequences, up to and
including a lifetime of retribution for the most minor offences.
Ok, I get the regulator's stance on that. Without lube, I can
feel him bumping up against me from behind, for the rest of
my life.
But the most heroic thing a pilot can ever do, is to [i]fly a broken[/i]
[i]airplane[/i].
Endless examples come to mind ... Al Haynes and the triple
engine failure in Sioux City. The guy that had the double engine
failure on final at LHR (ice in the fuel system) and raised the
flaps contrary to SOP, saved lives and was fired for it. The guys
that took a shoulder SAM in their DHL A300 over Iraq and successfully
landed it without flight controls. Then ran into a minefield.
See, these are the [b]hero pilots[/b]. And the regulator, who suffers from
chronic cranial-rectal inversion, insists that [u]you learn absolutely
nothing about flying broken airplanes[/u], so that you are completely
unprepared when it happens to you, so that TC can guarantee the
worst outcome for the passenger and tin. Maximum death and
destruction, insisted upon by the regulator whom has [u]no interest
in safety whatsoever[/u] - merely retaining their bureaucratic power.
This is all so fucking bizarre to me, but then again, I'm just a
20th century pilot without a facebook account.
You're wondering what the fuck this latest rant from an old dinosaur
has to do with this thread.
Flying different types of aircraft prepares you for when things break.
You now have different flight control responses - I broke a spade on
a Stearman in flight, for example, and had a stick jam on me in a
Pitts, etc - and your knowledge of the aircraft systems can really
make the difference in terms of you understanding the failure and
dealing with it.
See, that's the knowledge that's guarded like the crown jewels in
aviation: when shit happens, you won't know for hours or weeks
or even years afterwards, what really happened. See the 737 rudder
thermal shock reversal. The LHR double engine failure.
Your fundamental stick & rudder ability, and your knowledge of the
aircraft systems, at some point in your career will make the difference
between you living and dying. At least, it has for me, many times.
If you don't mind dying and killing your pax, please feel free to
ignore the lessons of history, so that you can repeat them yourself.
[size=36pt][b]SAFETY COMES FROM KNOWLEDGE AND SKILL - NOT FUCKING PAPER[/b][/size]
[img width=500 height=281]http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/ori ... 47/297.png[/img]
fly a broken airplane. Even the most trivial fault with an aircraft
is sure to result in severe regulatory consequences, up to and
including a lifetime of retribution for the most minor offences.
Ok, I get the regulator's stance on that. Without lube, I can
feel him bumping up against me from behind, for the rest of
my life.
But the most heroic thing a pilot can ever do, is to [i]fly a broken[/i]
[i]airplane[/i].
Endless examples come to mind ... Al Haynes and the triple
engine failure in Sioux City. The guy that had the double engine
failure on final at LHR (ice in the fuel system) and raised the
flaps contrary to SOP, saved lives and was fired for it. The guys
that took a shoulder SAM in their DHL A300 over Iraq and successfully
landed it without flight controls. Then ran into a minefield.
See, these are the [b]hero pilots[/b]. And the regulator, who suffers from
chronic cranial-rectal inversion, insists that [u]you learn absolutely
nothing about flying broken airplanes[/u], so that you are completely
unprepared when it happens to you, so that TC can guarantee the
worst outcome for the passenger and tin. Maximum death and
destruction, insisted upon by the regulator whom has [u]no interest
in safety whatsoever[/u] - merely retaining their bureaucratic power.
This is all so fucking bizarre to me, but then again, I'm just a
20th century pilot without a facebook account.
You're wondering what the fuck this latest rant from an old dinosaur
has to do with this thread.
Flying different types of aircraft prepares you for when things break.
You now have different flight control responses - I broke a spade on
a Stearman in flight, for example, and had a stick jam on me in a
Pitts, etc - and your knowledge of the aircraft systems can really
make the difference in terms of you understanding the failure and
dealing with it.
See, that's the knowledge that's guarded like the crown jewels in
aviation: when shit happens, you won't know for hours or weeks
or even years afterwards, what really happened. See the 737 rudder
thermal shock reversal. The LHR double engine failure.
Your fundamental stick & rudder ability, and your knowledge of the
aircraft systems, at some point in your career will make the difference
between you living and dying. At least, it has for me, many times.
If you don't mind dying and killing your pax, please feel free to
ignore the lessons of history, so that you can repeat them yourself.
[size=36pt][b]SAFETY COMES FROM KNOWLEDGE AND SKILL - NOT FUCKING PAPER[/b][/size]
[img width=500 height=281]http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/ori ... 47/297.png[/img]
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Nark1
Well said Andy,
Like him or not, Sully's decision to start the APU on the bus (out of sequence)prevented that shit sandwhich from becoming a colossal shit-nado.
The Air Asia guys (crashed in the Indian Ocean) didn't know the systems very well, and crashed an otherwise flyable airplane to their death.
Like him or not, Sully's decision to start the APU on the bus (out of sequence)prevented that shit sandwhich from becoming a colossal shit-nado.
The Air Asia guys (crashed in the Indian Ocean) didn't know the systems very well, and crashed an otherwise flyable airplane to their death.
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Four Bars
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Very-minor nit, Andy:
Al Haynes' DC-10 did not have a triple-engine failure but a triple-hydraulic failure caused by uncontained debris from the centre engine as its compressor disc disintegrated.
No question that trying to control that big bird by using only assymetric thrust took outside-the-box thinking and execution.
Al Haynes' DC-10 did not have a triple-engine failure but a triple-hydraulic failure caused by uncontained debris from the centre engine as its compressor disc disintegrated.
No question that trying to control that big bird by using only assymetric thrust took outside-the-box thinking and execution.
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Colonel
- Posts: 3450
- Joined: Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:31 am
Right - sorry - I was typing fast and not taking any prisoners.
From memory, extremely poor engineering resulted in all three
hydraulic lines being run next to an engine which had an uncontained
failure and killed all three systems.
There's a lesson there, about independence. You may think that
some things are NOT dependent upon each other, when in fact they
are. Systems knowledge is so essential to the understanding of
failure modes.
Anyways, IMHO Al Haynes is one of the now-long-gone "old breed"
that could [i]really fly[/i]. Fate handed him a shit sandwich and he had
to take a bite. Like the Alaska Airlines jackscrew failure, everyone
on board that DC-10 was dead after that triple-hydraulic failure, and
the people that survived owe Al Haynes their life because of his
extraordinary flying skill and leadership.
[b][size=7]LEARN TO FLY A BROKEN AIRPLANE[/size][/b]
From memory, extremely poor engineering resulted in all three
hydraulic lines being run next to an engine which had an uncontained
failure and killed all three systems.
There's a lesson there, about independence. You may think that
some things are NOT dependent upon each other, when in fact they
are. Systems knowledge is so essential to the understanding of
failure modes.
Anyways, IMHO Al Haynes is one of the now-long-gone "old breed"
that could [i]really fly[/i]. Fate handed him a shit sandwich and he had
to take a bite. Like the Alaska Airlines jackscrew failure, everyone
on board that DC-10 was dead after that triple-hydraulic failure, and
the people that survived owe Al Haynes their life because of his
extraordinary flying skill and leadership.
[b][size=7]LEARN TO FLY A BROKEN AIRPLANE[/size][/b]
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