Two Hands on the controls

[Rookie Pilot]

Thread drift, but my pet peeve with many instructors -- I'm sure most of them could land far prettier than I can. After all that's what they do a lot of.  At one airport. 


On the other hand, they have a far greater chance of killing themselves and whatever sheep like student is with them on a long CC, since they never do those, and have no clue about smart risk decisions in weather.


And that, is a fact.


I'd trust a passenger would be safer on a long CC in weather, with any number of lowly PPL,s  I know, than any random class 4,3,2...or 1. 


Everyone thinks this accident is no big deal.  School still training students. Still doing Florida trips supervised by instructors.  All good, eh Shiny? Cost of doing business.


http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopi ... 7s#p978076

[Colonel]

[quote]Everyone thinks this accident is no big deal[/quote]

Nothing different about that accident ... most people these days
don't have a problem with having an accident - sorry, "Learning
Experience" - because safety really isn't that important, compared
to other considerations.

Skill and knowledge are out-dated concepts, didn't you know?

[cgzro]

+1


Just an aside, the Russians teach two hands for precise vertical rolls. This is because to move the ailerons from centre to full without inputting elevator is tricky due to the arc your hand normally follows. 

[Rookie Pilot]

Landings:  I'm an average pilot, as I probably am in most areas.  I don't have any elite skills. I do understand risk, though.


I'm sure class 4's can methodically run their checklists better than me, too.  I'm making a broader point:  checklist knowledge is not remotely the same as broader situational awareness.  I'm sure the guy in the accident was great at checklists, but froze when confronted with flying into an embedded CB, assuming that's close to what happened.


I'm not attacking anyone but the FTU industry, and I question this blind cheerleading  of it. This accident I referenced for example should never happen. Ever. Once is too many.


Referring to this accident, why is this school still operating? I haven't seen anyone say they should be shut down. I think they should have.


Seeing a young instructor kill themslves and take 2 younger students with him, really angers me. I value life. May not mean so much to most here. Sorry that offends you so much. 


I dispute your contention that it's that rare for fatals involving instructors.  Do a search on US accidents, there are plenty where the PIC was an instructor.

[John Swallow]

I don't get the argument that PPLs are smarter than instructors. 

Given that instructors pass through the PPL stage on the way to becoming QFIs, at what point do they lose all their intelligence and capabilities?  Or is that just another inane throw-away line like so many posted here?

[Colonel]

I think the argument is that a 10,000TT PPL probably
has more experience than a 250TT instructor.

I've never met a 10,000TT PPL but I presume they
must exist, perhaps in captivity?  Given that most
PPL's fly around 30 hours per year, he would need
to be around 350 years old.

More typically, this PPL from CYRO tried to fly the
ILS07 at CYOW at night, and this is what happened:

[url=http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/2- ... -1.1068173]http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/2- ... -1.1068173[/url]

He lost control before GS intercept.  His instrument
rating flight test was "interesting", shall we say.  It
was conducted by one of TC's pets who can do no
wrong.

[Chris]

It's been a while since I did my PPL. Are students taught to always have two hands on the yoke/stick?

[Rookie Pilot]

[quote author=Colonel Sanders link=topic=7574.msg20962#msg20962 date=1512402765]
I think the argument is that a 10,000TT PPL probably
has more experience than a 250TT instructor.
[/quote]


I'd argue any 500 TT PPL, current and flying regularly, say with an IFR rating and some actual, and a few multi province/ state CC's under their belt,  is a heck of lot more experienced than a 500 TT instructor, let alone 250.

[DeflectionShot]

I'm not sure the stats bear that out. In fact the flying school accident you're referring to is a pretty common PPL IFR fatal accident -- especially at night.

[url=https://www.flyingmag.com/pilot-techniq ... -pilot-ifr]https://www.flyingmag.com/pilot-techniq ... -pilot-ifr[/url]

I would go so far as to call it routine in the US and it's not unusual for PPLs to take a lot of innocent folks with them. [url=http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2016/01/e ... -sage.html]http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2016/01/e ... -sage.html[/url]

If you're looking retribution against the aforementioned flying school then regulators may conclude that single-pilot IFR at night should be banned or severely restricted. The feds rarely take a micro approach when it comes it regulatory reform. Careful for what you wish for....