Four bars vs the Military

[Rookie Pilot]

Now, I don't agree with everything written here, and I have friends who technically wear the bars -- of course they are flying in nasty jungle, landing on sloped one way runways at 8000' elevation in SE birds, but anyway -- when the 4 bar magenta line button pushers -- or those not even pilots --  starts shitting on our RCAF boys, gotta really  raise eyebrows....


Do you big iron pilots, flying the 300 whiny self loading freight units, from ILS to ILS (except the odd hat landing) REALLY think you're superior to the CF 18 sticks?


Unreal what one reads.....



[url=http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopi ... 5&t=118953]http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopi ... 5&t=118953[/url]

From an unapologetic supporter of our military.  Now and forever.

[DeflectionShot]

meh, usual jet jockey envy from a few Avcanada types. I know, it's hard to believe that flying CF18s against Islamic State ground targets and dodging Triple A and SAMs is not quite as dangerous as flying drunken tourists to Cuba but I grew up in an RCAF family so what do I know.

However I will say that the RCAF TacHel types in Afghanistan deserve admiration. The Griffons were the usual Canadian improvisation job courtesy of the puzzle palace but they managed to pull it off.

[Kartoon]

Lots of condescending comments....



Ok, while I don't necessary agree with all Gilles H. views, especially the one this topic is referring to, you must know that he is a heck of a nice man in real life!
And far from a magenta line type of guy. Unless you call anyone who earned his keep early in his career flying Beech-18 and C-46 like that!


An example, one of the things he manage on his own time and dim outside flying is an Orphanage in Haiti. You will never see him boasting about that.
His family suffered a lot under the Duvalier's regime in this country.  Seeing how he cannot keep his mouth shut every time he sees something that he consider unfair make it easy to understand  :P
I'm joking but that was really bad.
And that is another thing you will never see him boasting about.








[size=1]Ps: I am not him, I don't fly for Transat and I'm not from Haiti. [/size]
[size=1]Just a long time friend of his even if it has been a while I did not see him.[/size]

[Three Bars]

Didn't one of your mission four bar friends wreck a perfectly good Cessna 172 here in Canada?  I recall seeing the thread.

Haven't a few Hornets been pranged on asphalt as well... having flown a FRACTION of what the Canadian civil airliner fleet does? 

[David MacRay]

I am satisfied after reading way too much about it. The African Missionary that was in the 172 that crashed in Ontario, had no affiliation with the guys Rookie Pilot admires, but don't let that ruin a good rumor.

[Rookie Pilot]

[quote author=Three Bars link=topic=7097.msg19207#msg19207 date=1505749827]
Didn't one of your mission four bar friends wreck a perfectly good Cessna 172 here in Canada?  I recall seeing the thread.
[/quote]



Uhhhh, negative.  I have three friends I know from that world.  One has been back here awhile, after years in
[font=Verdana]Africa, came home and is flying turboprops for the government up north, gravel strips.  [/font]

Second just returned, different African country,  also now up north here, just posted he got type rated on something in his new job.  kinda doubt it's a rental 172. But neither anywhere near YSH, far as I know, where this supposed disaster occurred.

Third is still 10,000 miles away, flying his brains out in a nasty country tougher than Africa, from what I've read.

But hey believe what you wish.  Long as the magneta line works.....

[TundraTire]

Some good comments on that avcanada thread.


Condescending?


No more so than the "4-bars" comments on this site.

[Colonel]

[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TransAsia ... Flight_235]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TransAsia ... Flight_235[/url]

Three pilots with total [b]27,000[/b] hours in the cockpit

"Last words of TransAsia crash pilot were '[b]Wow, pulled back the wrong side throttle[/b]'"

[img width=500 height=375]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... _crash.png[/img]

A lot of hard work over many years has gone into earning all that condescension.

[Liquid Charlie]

[size=1em]Part of the issue in the flight deck over the years has been the elitist attitude of the x-military pilots bringing  the military attitude to the flight deck. Flame away gents but the military is no different that any other part of the aviation world. There are varying levels of competency, ability and attitude. The problem seen from my encounters with "X" military pilots has been that while there are many top notch and excellent drivers who do adapt to civi street there is also that group who likely were the "bottom" of the barrel in the military and bring those skills with them. This group cover up their short coming with that tyrannical  inflexible I am the captain attitude. Unfortunately I also see this in 25 year olds when they get their first left seat -- where the fuck does that come from. The military does not necessarily turn out great pilots, nor does any training program so when you see aircraft augering into bridges with simple failures I have a recollection that this flight had an attitude (personal) issue alone with the hands and feet issue. [/size]

[size=1em]So to group airline types (in your words 4 bars, I'm actually after getting 5 bars so I can be called admiral) is like saying there is no talent at all. I have been around and have worn the 4 bars and landed at the north pole wearing them (transport cat aircraft). They didn't seem to affect my getting there. I have also seen my share of people who Rookie thinks walk on water who were disasters looking for a place to happen and a line of bent metal behind them. [/size]

[size=1em]Bottom line: like anything else or professions there are such a cross section of ability, mind set and [font=arial][b]proficiency. We all make mistakes. The trick is how you deal with them. [/b]. [/font][font=arial]  [/font][/size]

[vanNostrum]

I find Gilles H posting respectful and factual
To claim that military pilots are somehow exempted from scrutiny
and beyond critique just because they are " RCAF boys" is laughable