Crash near Muskoka

[ScudRunner-d95]

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Condolences to all affected, fly safe folks

[Colonel]

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[Slick Goodlin]

Doesn't seem like much has been released yet but from the pics I strongly suspect this was the airplane:
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Condolences to those who knew the two on board.

[ScudRunner-d95]

I was trying to figure out what type of plane it was ..........

[Colonel]

Ted Dirstein, an old friend, was giving dual in a Lake.

I knew Ted from Burlington, at Kovachik's in the 1980's -
we built a hangar there for the Maule.

What a great guy.  Smoked cigarettes, drove fast, good
stick.

As CFI at Spectrum (?) around 30+ years ago, I remember
him spending all day in the classroom with a TC Inspector,
doing his upgrade from class 2 to class 1.  He already had
quite a staff of instructors and a nice fleet of aircraft.

After [b]eight hours[/b] in the classroom, the TC Inspector
failed him.

At the time, it did not occur to me how stupid the TC
Inspector must have been, to need [b]EIGHT HOURS[/b] to
determine that Ted did not have the knowledge or
skill to be a class 1 instructor.  I do not have the brains,
intelligence or education of a TC Inspector, but I can
tell you in 5 minutes if someone is qualified to be a
class 1 instructor.

[Slick Goodlin]

This thread is about a fatal light airplane accident, can we shit on TC's flight instructor testing practices elsewhere?

[GoBoy]

I also knew Ted back in the early 80s at Burlington Airpark. At the time he was co-owner of Spectrum Airways.
He was also the CFI at the time so I flew with him a few times while I was learning to fly.
Ted was a knowledgeable  guy  and good pilot. Also at one time a pretty good motocross driver.
At that time I was also apprenticing at Kovachik Aircraft Service and helped maintain the school airplane.
Ted purchased an Aeronca Champ project (CF-MUW)which I assembled for him .
Last time we flew together was around 1986 when we did a cross country to Geneseo NY in the school C-172 CF-MHU.
I would really like to know what happened
My condolences to his family

[Colonel]

[quote]I would really like to know what happened[/quote]

Witness accounts vary, and they are of course garbled
by the reporter, but it's possible there was an engine
failure shortly after takeoff, which is not surprising if
the aircraft just came out of maintenance.

Despite the honking and the screeching, it has saved my
bacon several times, to be able to fly a broken airplane,
something no one ever, ever talks about.

Ted similarly was such an expert.  One was to wonder if
he was fighting both the airplane and the student that
he was giving dual to, and if he would be still alive if
he was alone in the cockpit.  The four bars will harrumph
and of course disagree, because they are [i]certain[/i] that
more pilots in the cockpit are always better.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TransAsia ... Flight_235

I only instructed for a quarter of a century continuously,
which is not much compared to the experts, but I had
some pretty unpleasant experiences with very strong
students freezing at the controls, or doing something
completely wrong with the controls.  See the four bars
in AF447, Colgan 3407, etc.

This can become a serious problem close to the ground,
when there is precious little time to console a student
about his feelings.

I doubt we will ever know what happened in that
cockpit.

When I used to teach new aerobatic instructors, I
told them that the real purpose of the fire extinguisher
in an aerobatic airplane was to use it to disable the
student when he was doing something horribly wrong.

[Rookie Pilot]

[quote author=Colonel Sanders link=topic=6397.msg17038#msg17038 date=1496845240]
[quote]I would really like to know what happened[/quote]

Witness accounts vary, and they are of course garbled
by the reporter, but it's possible there was an engine
failure shortly after takeoff, which is not surprising if
the aircraft just came out of maintenance.

Despite the honking and the screeching, it has saved my
bacon several times, to be able to fly a broken airplane,
something no one ever, ever talks about.

Ted similarly was such an expert.  One was to wonder if
he was fighting both the airplane and the student that
he was giving dual to, and if he would be still alive if
he was alone in the cockpit.  The four bars will harrumph
and of course disagree, because they are [i]certain[/i] that
more pilots in the cockpit are always better.

[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TransAsia ... Flight_235]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TransAsia ... Flight_235[/url]

I only instructed for a quarter of a century continuously,
which is not much compared to the experts, but I had
some pretty unpleasant experiences with very strong
students freezing at the controls, or doing something
completely wrong with the controls.  See the four bars
in AF447, Colgan 3407, etc.

This can become a serious problem close to the ground,
when there is precious little time to console a student
about his feelings.

I doubt we will ever know what happened in that
cockpit.

When I used to teach new aerobatic instructors, I
told them that the real purpose of the fire extinguisher
in an aerobatic airplane was to use it to disable the
student when he was doing something horribly wrong.
[/quote]




Exactly what physical evidence do you have he fought the student for control?


Stop talking out of your ass. You don't know anything about this accident. You're guessing. Not very nice if say the students friends or family read this, and No, I don't know either pilot or the aircaft.