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Flair Airlines Proposed New Payscale
Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2022 6:12 pm
by Scudrunner
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Re: Flair Airlines Proposed New Payscale
Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:43 am
by Nark
23% raise is better than 0.
Not sure how the market works in Canada, does Flair have a union?
Re: Flair Airlines Proposed New Payscale
Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:11 pm
by Colonel
Dumb question- is that “good”?
I see the numbers creep up after a few years - are they really awash with 10+ year guys? I didn’t know they’d been around that long.
Re: Flair Airlines Proposed New Payscale
Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:24 pm
by Nark
Colonel wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:11 pm
Dumb question- is that “good”?
I see the numbers creep up after a few years - are they really awash with 10+ year guys? I didn’t know they’d been around that long.
I had a gander at Air Canada’s pay scale. Kind of lackluster as well.
The question becomes, who holds the standard?
Down here it’s Delta’s new AIP, which is lucrative in some aspects.
$300/hr seems great, until the work rules has you on a 6 day trip, and you only fly 8 hours.
Hourly rates aren’t everything.
Re: Flair Airlines Proposed New Payscale
Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2022 2:03 pm
by Colonel
I tell kids who are thinking about becoming an airline pilot:
1) you need 1500 hours and an ATP for 121. Most people go deep into debt getting there
2) lifestyle is not good. You will miss your kid’s birthdays and Christmases and probably have at least a couple ex-wives and crippling after-tax monthly payments by the time you retire.
People think they’re going to earn $300k working 85 hours a month. Well, there’s a bit more to it than that.
Re: Flair Airlines Proposed New Payscale
Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2022 3:12 am
by Slick Goodlin
Nark wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:43 am
Not sure how the market works in Canada, does Flair have a union?
I believe this is their union’s first effort.
Re: Flair Airlines Proposed New Payscale
Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2022 8:46 am
by TwoCut
Colonel wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 2:03 pm
I tell kids who are thinking about becoming an airline pilot:
1) you need 1500 hours and an ATP for 121. Most people go deep into debt getting there
2) lifestyle is not good. You will miss your kid’s birthdays and Christmases and probably have at least a couple ex-wives and crippling after-tax monthly payments by the time you retire.
People think they’re going to earn $300k working 85 hours a month. Well, there’s a bit more to it than that.
You got it, this industry is fucked. That’s why I work for myself and mostly states side now. Canadas labour laws and loose TFW program that’s heavily abused by operators is only part of the issue….
Re: Flair Airlines Proposed New Payscale
Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2022 4:38 pm
by Scudrunner
Colonel wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:11 pm
Dumb question- is that “good”?
I see the numbers creep up after a few years - are they really awash with 10+ year guys? I didn’t know they’d been around that long.
Flairs been around for a long time, they where KFC charter company did things like crew changes up to the patch and winter contract flying south. That and be a union busting threat.
When New Leaf began operating they flew the planes New Leaf sold the seats. Then Flair bought out new leaf and starting doing it all.
As for money here’s a comparison of the airline and cargo types.
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Re: Flair Airlines Proposed New Payscale
Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2022 5:13 pm
by Colonel
Hey, great chart.
But ouch. First year FO is brutal. They aren't serious about hiring with those salaries.
Re: Flair Airlines Proposed New Payscale
Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2022 5:19 pm
by Nark
Wow….
All of those pay rates….
Wow…
Factor income tax, sales tax and all the other taxes you pay. Holy cow. I’ll be buying the Air Canada Captains a drink when I see them at the hotel bar.