Preliminary Report 777 strike runway lights MIA

vanNostrum · Tue Dec 08, 2015 8:42 pm

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Read two crews fired over this.
Fair or Unfair?

ScudRunner-d95 · Tue Dec 08, 2015 9:50 pm

Accepting an intersection departure without computing the numbers on the big iron like that is foolish at best.

That being said statistics prove rejecting a takeoff at V1 on a tight runway can be catastrophic.

Here is a textbook engine failure on the takeoff roll, I don't know how close to V1 they were but well done to the crew.

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RUDDER PEDALS!

Rookie Pilot · Wed Dec 09, 2015 4:18 am

Well done?

But they must have "four bars"!!

Doesnt that mean they suck by definition?

O0

vanNostrum · Wed Dec 09, 2015 4:28 am

Fourteen bars if you count the relief crew :o

Eric Janson · Sun Dec 13, 2015 4:17 pm

At my previous Airline they tried to take-off from an intersection without the appropriate performance chart.
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They (just) got away with it - pictures show a very late rotation.

Company policy encouraged intersection take-offs without issuing any guidance about when not to do them.

Colonel · Sun Dec 13, 2015 5:16 pm

[quote]Company policy encouraged intersection take-offs without issuing any guidance about when not to do them.[/quote]

Is it April 1st already?!

Sorry, I don't believe the absence of micro-management.

Eric Janson · Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:15 am

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[quote]Company policy encouraged intersection take-offs without issuing any guidance about when not to do them.[/quote]

Is it April 1st already?!

Sorry, I don't believe the absence of micro-management.
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It's Asia - learning is done by rote. [b]If it's not in the books they don't know[/b]. Most people were in management because they didn't like flying not because they were any good at their jobs (and believe me - they weren't!).

This procedure was designed to save fuel - they also introduced landing with reduced flap at the same time (again no guidance).

I met up with the team who did the IOSA audit in 2012 (one of them is a friend) and their telling comment:- [b]"They don't know what they don't know"

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