Scudrunners

Anyone have any news regarding Air Canada’s new contract made with the Pilot’s Association this morning?

Did they sync up with the Delta CBA like American did?

https://www.alpa.org/news-and-events/ne ... w-contract

https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/unit ... -contracts

Comparing the pilots per block hour pay rate offered by both airlines, United Airlines captains flying the Boeing 787 would earn $386.95 on the day of signing. First officers on the same aircraft would be paid $109.42 per block hour.

American Airlines’ captains, flying the same Boeing 787, would earn $383.12 per block hour, while first officers would earn $108.34 per block hour.

Colonel wrote: Sun Sep 15, 2024 2:05 pm Did they sync up with the Delta CBA like American did?

Lol no. If I read it right I should be in the real meaty part gains-wise, but even then the whole TA feels kind of limp and lacklustre. They say the total pilot wages are potentially increasing by $1.9 billion but I haven’t done any math at all to see if that makes a shred of sense.

https://aircanadapilots.ca/Portals/1002 ... ummary.pdf

Compensation by block hour is only part of the total compensation package.
A few years ago when AA’s CEO released to the public he wanted to pay his senior (12yr+ 787 CA) in the ball park of $500/hr the public was like aghast the pilots didn’t jump all over it.
I know I’m partially preaching to the choir, but airline CBA pay is very different than most pay structures in the rest of working society.


5 min. breakdown on “soft pay” (where the real money is made)
Case in point: most airlines have a “rig” type pay. You either block a minimum of (say 5 hours for a day) or get that bump up if you under block. This forces the company to construct pairings that utilize the crew efficiently. (My last 3-day trip had 23 minutes of rig pay).


Nearly all of us bigger airline types are well in the 2%, or top 1% of wage earners. What sets apart a DL, AA, UA 737 or 320 CA is the soft pay. United’s minimum monthly guarantee is 70 hours. Multiply year 2CAx70hr MMGx12 months= $278,997.
Pretty damned good given these economic times.

Well that’s not the whole picture. Next comes knowing the contract.
In the case of United, a 2nd yr CA will be on reserve. All of reserve is a long-call. You can elect to convert yourself to short call prior to your reserve period. Each incurs 1hr of additional pay regardless if you are used. Another provision can get you 2hrs added.
Little things like this will now get you to 80-85-90+ hours of pay, without even touching the jet.

This is where you go from being a 2%er to a 1%er.
Delta used to have the best CBA.
United is by far the best.
AA is barely better than the ULCC’s.


The devil is in the details.

Nark wrote: Sun Sep 15, 2024 3:03 pm most airlines have a “rig” type pay. You either block a minimum of (say 5 hours for a day) or get that bump up if you under block. This forces the company to construct pairings that utilize the crew efficiently.

Can you go tell that to AC? We’ve got a 4:25 daily minimum* and it’s not uncommon for me to just go from YYZ-YOW in a day. Great that I’m making like $900 an hour for that but there’s better ways to spend a day, I’d much rather be flying, knocking out hours, and having more days off. Doubly so on reserve. More efficient pairings would be better for me and make my time cheaper to the company so I’m not sure what excuses there are to keep them so inefficient. Maybe AC just sucks at narrowbody’ing.

*for the non-airline types that’s 4:25 paid hours, or roughly brake release to brakes set. Bear in mind that we get into the plane an hour before brake release and have finishing up work to do for 15-20 minutes after parking. That YYZ-YOW I mention has twice as much time spent doing prep and closing up shop than it has billable hours. I’m not advocating to be paid for every minute I spend in an airport, just clarifying how the pay structure works.

I know Canadians that I talk to don't like this guy much but

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dFVYC97axDA

Colonel wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 3:05 pm I know Canadians that I talk to don't like this guy much but

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dFVYC97axDA

Talk to people outside of Ontario/Quebec.

Colonel wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 3:05 pm I know Canadians that I talk to don't like this guy much but

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dFVYC97axDA

He’s fine and I’ll probably write an X next to his name some day but make no mistake that sound bite was part of a job application.

See? Canadians I talk to either just don’t care or tell me there is no difference between the two. Wow.

The apathy and resignation is wild. I tell them it’s like I’m talking to terminal cancer patients.