Re: If we could only do this in Canada
Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 5:33 am
[quote]Its funny to hear pilots complain that the regs are difficult, complicated or obscure,
when the ones that apply directly to them flying day to day are pretty basic[/quote]
Can't let that slide. Let's take a look at the most
very basic set of CARs, 602. You've taught them
to students for decades. I'll bet there isn't a single
pilot in all of Canada - including you - that can recite
verbatim from memory a single CAR 602.X where X
is in the range of 1 to 150.
[quote]602.01 - Reckless or Negligent Operation of Aircraft
602.02 - Fitness of Flight Crew Members
602.03 - Alcohol or Drugs — Crew Members
602.04 - Alcohol or Drugs — Passengers
602.05 - Compliance with Instructions
602.06 - Smoking
602.07 - Aircraft Operating Limitations
602.08 - Portable Electronic Devices
602.09 - Fuelling with Engines Running
602.10 - Starting and Ground Running of Aircraft Engines
602.11 - Aircraft Icing
602.12 - Overflight of Built-up Areas or Open-air Assemblies of Persons during Take-offs, Approaches and Landings
602.13 - Take-offs, Approaches and Landings within Built-up Areas of Cities and Towns
602.14 - Minimum Altitudes and Distances
602.15 - Permissible Low Altitude Flight
602.16 - Flights over Open-Air Assemblies of Persons or Built-up Areas — Helicopters with External Loads
602.17 - Carriage of Persons during Low Altitude Flight
602.18 - Flights over Built-up Areas — Balloons
602.19 - Right of Way — General
602.20 - Right of Way — Aircraft Manoeuvring on Water
602.21 - Avoidance of Collision
602.22 - Towing
602.23 - Dropping of Objects
602.24 - Formation Flight
602.25 - Entering or Leaving an Aircraft in Flight
602.26 - Parachute Descents
602.27 - Aerobatic Manoeuvres — Prohibited Areas and Flight Conditions
602.28 - Aerobatic Manoeuvres with Passengers
602.29 - Hang Glider and Ultra-light Aeroplane Operation
602.30 - Fuel Dumping
602.31 - Compliance with Air Traffic Control Instructions and Clearances
602.32 - Airspeed Limitations
602.33 - Supersonic Flight
602.34 - Cruising Altitudes and Cruising Flight Levels
602.35 - Altimeter-setting and Operating Procedures in the Altimeter-setting Region
602.36 - Altimeter-setting and Operating Procedures in the Standard Pressure Region
602.37 - Altimeter-setting and Operating Procedures in Transition between Regions
602.38 - Flight over the High Seas
602.39 - Transoceanic Flight
602.40 - Landing at or Take-off from an Aerodrome at Night
602.41 - Unmanned Air Vehicles
602.42 - Large Unoccupied Free Balloons
602.43 - Rockets
602.44 - Authorization by the Minister
602.45 - Model Aircraft, Kites and Model Rockets
602.46 - Refusal to Transport
602.57 - Application
602.58 - Prohibition
602.59 - Equipment Standards
602.60 - Requirements for Power-driven Aircraft
602.61 - Survival Equipment — Flights over Land
602.62 - Life Preservers and Flotation Devices
602.63 - Life Rafts and Survival Equipment — Flights over Water
602.64 – Offshore Operations Flight
602.65 – Emergency Exception
602.66 – Emergency Underwater Breathing Apparatus (EUBA)
602.67 to 602.69 Reserved
602.70 - Interpretation
602.71 - Pre-flight Information
602.72 - Weather Information
602.73 - Requirement to File a Flight Plan or a Flight Itinerary
602.74 - Contents of a Flight Plan or a Flight Itinerary
602.75 - Filing of a Flight Plan or a Flight Itinerary
602.76 - Changes in the Flight Plan
602.77 - Requirement to File an Arrival Report
602.78 - Contents of an Arrival Report
602.79 - Overdue Aircraft Report
602.86 - Carry-on Baggage, Equipment and Cargo
602.87 - Crew Member Instructions
602.88 - Fuel Requirements
602.89 - Passenger Briefings
602.96 - General
602.97 - VFR and IFR Aircraft Operations at Uncontrolled Aerodromes within an MF Area
602.98 - General MF Reporting Requirements
602.99 - MF Reporting Procedures before Entering Manoeuvring Area
602.100 - MF Reporting Procedures on Departure
602.101 - MF Reporting Procedures on Arrival
602.102 - MF Reporting Procedures When Flying Continuous Circuits
602.103 - Reporting Procedures When Flying through an MF Area
602.104 - Reporting Procedures for IFR Aircraft When Approaching or Landing at an Uncontrolled Aerodrome
602.105 - Noise Operating Criteria
602.106 - Noise-restricted Runways
602.114 - Minimum Visual Meteorological Conditions for VFR Flight in Controlled Airspace
602.115 - Minimum Visual Meteorological Conditions for VFR Flight in Uncontrolled Airspace
602.116 - VFR Over-the-Top
602.117 - Special VFR Flight
602.121 - General Requirements
602.122 - Alternate Aerodrome Requirements
602.123 - Alternate Aerodrome Weather Minima
602.124 - Minimum Altitudes to Ensure Obstacle Clearance
602.125 - Enroute IFR Position Reports
602.126 - Take-off Minima
602.127 - Instrument Approaches
602.128 - Landing Minima
602.129 - Approach Ban — General
602.130 - Approach Ban — CAT III Precision
602.131 - Runway Visibility
602.133 - Language Used in Aeronautical Radiocommunications
602.134 - Locations Where Services Are Available in English and French
602.135 - Locations Where Services Are Available in English
602.136 - Continuous Listening Watch
602.137 - Two-way Radiocommunication Failure in IFR Flight
602.138 - Two-way Radiocommunication Failure in VFR Flight
602.143 - Emergency Radio Frequency Capability
602.144 - Interception Signals, Interception of Aircraft and Instructions to Land
602.145 - ADIZ
602.146 - ESCAT Plan
602.150 - Requirements[/quote]
What a colossal load of bullshit. And that's
just one tiny piece of the enormous steaming
pile known as the CARs. 150 little turds, right
there. And there are [i]tens of thousands[/i] of them,
and no one knows what they are.
PS Pilots need to know more than just 602.
It would be nice, for example, if they knew if
their aircraft was legally airworthy. Unfortunately
you need to be a lawyer with six months to research
the question, to answer it. Don't believe me?
Try to import an aircraft. Have fun.
Shiny, I know you are a fan of strong, centralized
control, but trying to defend the CARs ... please.
We agree that even TC has no clue what the rules
are.
What a fucking train wreck.
when the ones that apply directly to them flying day to day are pretty basic[/quote]
Can't let that slide. Let's take a look at the most
very basic set of CARs, 602. You've taught them
to students for decades. I'll bet there isn't a single
pilot in all of Canada - including you - that can recite
verbatim from memory a single CAR 602.X where X
is in the range of 1 to 150.
[quote]602.01 - Reckless or Negligent Operation of Aircraft
602.02 - Fitness of Flight Crew Members
602.03 - Alcohol or Drugs — Crew Members
602.04 - Alcohol or Drugs — Passengers
602.05 - Compliance with Instructions
602.06 - Smoking
602.07 - Aircraft Operating Limitations
602.08 - Portable Electronic Devices
602.09 - Fuelling with Engines Running
602.10 - Starting and Ground Running of Aircraft Engines
602.11 - Aircraft Icing
602.12 - Overflight of Built-up Areas or Open-air Assemblies of Persons during Take-offs, Approaches and Landings
602.13 - Take-offs, Approaches and Landings within Built-up Areas of Cities and Towns
602.14 - Minimum Altitudes and Distances
602.15 - Permissible Low Altitude Flight
602.16 - Flights over Open-Air Assemblies of Persons or Built-up Areas — Helicopters with External Loads
602.17 - Carriage of Persons during Low Altitude Flight
602.18 - Flights over Built-up Areas — Balloons
602.19 - Right of Way — General
602.20 - Right of Way — Aircraft Manoeuvring on Water
602.21 - Avoidance of Collision
602.22 - Towing
602.23 - Dropping of Objects
602.24 - Formation Flight
602.25 - Entering or Leaving an Aircraft in Flight
602.26 - Parachute Descents
602.27 - Aerobatic Manoeuvres — Prohibited Areas and Flight Conditions
602.28 - Aerobatic Manoeuvres with Passengers
602.29 - Hang Glider and Ultra-light Aeroplane Operation
602.30 - Fuel Dumping
602.31 - Compliance with Air Traffic Control Instructions and Clearances
602.32 - Airspeed Limitations
602.33 - Supersonic Flight
602.34 - Cruising Altitudes and Cruising Flight Levels
602.35 - Altimeter-setting and Operating Procedures in the Altimeter-setting Region
602.36 - Altimeter-setting and Operating Procedures in the Standard Pressure Region
602.37 - Altimeter-setting and Operating Procedures in Transition between Regions
602.38 - Flight over the High Seas
602.39 - Transoceanic Flight
602.40 - Landing at or Take-off from an Aerodrome at Night
602.41 - Unmanned Air Vehicles
602.42 - Large Unoccupied Free Balloons
602.43 - Rockets
602.44 - Authorization by the Minister
602.45 - Model Aircraft, Kites and Model Rockets
602.46 - Refusal to Transport
602.57 - Application
602.58 - Prohibition
602.59 - Equipment Standards
602.60 - Requirements for Power-driven Aircraft
602.61 - Survival Equipment — Flights over Land
602.62 - Life Preservers and Flotation Devices
602.63 - Life Rafts and Survival Equipment — Flights over Water
602.64 – Offshore Operations Flight
602.65 – Emergency Exception
602.66 – Emergency Underwater Breathing Apparatus (EUBA)
602.67 to 602.69 Reserved
602.70 - Interpretation
602.71 - Pre-flight Information
602.72 - Weather Information
602.73 - Requirement to File a Flight Plan or a Flight Itinerary
602.74 - Contents of a Flight Plan or a Flight Itinerary
602.75 - Filing of a Flight Plan or a Flight Itinerary
602.76 - Changes in the Flight Plan
602.77 - Requirement to File an Arrival Report
602.78 - Contents of an Arrival Report
602.79 - Overdue Aircraft Report
602.86 - Carry-on Baggage, Equipment and Cargo
602.87 - Crew Member Instructions
602.88 - Fuel Requirements
602.89 - Passenger Briefings
602.96 - General
602.97 - VFR and IFR Aircraft Operations at Uncontrolled Aerodromes within an MF Area
602.98 - General MF Reporting Requirements
602.99 - MF Reporting Procedures before Entering Manoeuvring Area
602.100 - MF Reporting Procedures on Departure
602.101 - MF Reporting Procedures on Arrival
602.102 - MF Reporting Procedures When Flying Continuous Circuits
602.103 - Reporting Procedures When Flying through an MF Area
602.104 - Reporting Procedures for IFR Aircraft When Approaching or Landing at an Uncontrolled Aerodrome
602.105 - Noise Operating Criteria
602.106 - Noise-restricted Runways
602.114 - Minimum Visual Meteorological Conditions for VFR Flight in Controlled Airspace
602.115 - Minimum Visual Meteorological Conditions for VFR Flight in Uncontrolled Airspace
602.116 - VFR Over-the-Top
602.117 - Special VFR Flight
602.121 - General Requirements
602.122 - Alternate Aerodrome Requirements
602.123 - Alternate Aerodrome Weather Minima
602.124 - Minimum Altitudes to Ensure Obstacle Clearance
602.125 - Enroute IFR Position Reports
602.126 - Take-off Minima
602.127 - Instrument Approaches
602.128 - Landing Minima
602.129 - Approach Ban — General
602.130 - Approach Ban — CAT III Precision
602.131 - Runway Visibility
602.133 - Language Used in Aeronautical Radiocommunications
602.134 - Locations Where Services Are Available in English and French
602.135 - Locations Where Services Are Available in English
602.136 - Continuous Listening Watch
602.137 - Two-way Radiocommunication Failure in IFR Flight
602.138 - Two-way Radiocommunication Failure in VFR Flight
602.143 - Emergency Radio Frequency Capability
602.144 - Interception Signals, Interception of Aircraft and Instructions to Land
602.145 - ADIZ
602.146 - ESCAT Plan
602.150 - Requirements[/quote]
What a colossal load of bullshit. And that's
just one tiny piece of the enormous steaming
pile known as the CARs. 150 little turds, right
there. And there are [i]tens of thousands[/i] of them,
and no one knows what they are.
PS Pilots need to know more than just 602.
It would be nice, for example, if they knew if
their aircraft was legally airworthy. Unfortunately
you need to be a lawyer with six months to research
the question, to answer it. Don't believe me?
Try to import an aircraft. Have fun.
Shiny, I know you are a fan of strong, centralized
control, but trying to defend the CARs ... please.
We agree that even TC has no clue what the rules
are.
What a fucking train wreck.