[quote author=Chuck Ellsworth link=topic=4425.msg11644#msg11644 date=1475455274]
Does anyone here think I was being unfair to that FO?
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Not at all - especially after his comments to you!
Typical Gen Y/Millenial attitude from your F/O - most are Fucking useless and don't have a clue!
Center lines...
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Slick Goodlin
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[quote author=praveen4143 link=topic=4425.msg11647#msg11647 date=1475466834]
If the Private Pilot flight test guide required a 45 hour (or so) pilot to land within 15 feet of runway centre line[/quote]
To paraphrase far too many students, "That's only required on the day of the test, the next day you can forget everything."
If the Private Pilot flight test guide required a 45 hour (or so) pilot to land within 15 feet of runway centre line[/quote]
To paraphrase far too many students, "That's only required on the day of the test, the next day you can forget everything."
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Colonel
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I spent many years trying to convince people
that there was value in performing well above
the minimum legally specified standard, because
of the obvious decoupling between the regulatory
world, and the far more demanding real world.
I don't think I was very successful. So many people
think that if they meet the bare minimums, and
have a piece of paper, that they are set for life
and can coast.
that there was value in performing well above
the minimum legally specified standard, because
of the obvious decoupling between the regulatory
world, and the far more demanding real world.
I don't think I was very successful. So many people
think that if they meet the bare minimums, and
have a piece of paper, that they are set for life
and can coast.
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Gravel Digger
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[quote author=Chuck Ellsworth link=topic=4425.msg11644#msg11644 date=1475455274]
Does anyone here think I was being unfair to that FO?
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Not a chance, I'm in a better place in life because I flew with a few captains and training pilots that pulled the reins on me a bit early on in my career. I may have felt a little butt-hurt by it in my youth, but I got over it fast and am a better pilot for people that held some standards in the cockpit. Kill bad habits early, it's a disservice to the industry if you don't.
Does anyone here think I was being unfair to that FO?
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Not a chance, I'm in a better place in life because I flew with a few captains and training pilots that pulled the reins on me a bit early on in my career. I may have felt a little butt-hurt by it in my youth, but I got over it fast and am a better pilot for people that held some standards in the cockpit. Kill bad habits early, it's a disservice to the industry if you don't.
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David MacRay
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[quote] No I was not bullying him. [/quote]
Yeah, I suppose not. Sorry about the accusation.
Yeah, I suppose not. Sorry about the accusation.
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Gravel Digger
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[quote author=David MacRay link=topic=4425.msg11640#msg11640 date=1475427621]
Maybe he learned his lesson later flying with guys that just let him slide.
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People allowed to slide learn their lessons around burned metal. Smarten up, this isn't a game, it's not a popularity contest, sometimes feelings need to be hurt.
Maybe he learned his lesson later flying with guys that just let him slide.
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People allowed to slide learn their lessons around burned metal. Smarten up, this isn't a game, it's not a popularity contest, sometimes feelings need to be hurt.
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Chuck Ellsworth
Here are the three most common poor flying skills I observed
As I have previously stated I have hired many many pilots over the past half century and the same three sloppy inept airplane handling skills were demonstrated by almost every substandard applicant.
(1) Controlling taxi speed with brakes and not reducing power.
(2) Chasing airspeed in the climb and climbing in a roller coaster profile.
(3) The inability to fly a constant approach on centre line and landing way off the centre line.
Those were the most common problems and they show the training industry is substandard.
As I have previously stated I have hired many many pilots over the past half century and the same three sloppy inept airplane handling skills were demonstrated by almost every substandard applicant.
(1) Controlling taxi speed with brakes and not reducing power.
(2) Chasing airspeed in the climb and climbing in a roller coaster profile.
(3) The inability to fly a constant approach on centre line and landing way off the centre line.
Those were the most common problems and they show the training industry is substandard.
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David MacRay
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[quote author=Troglodyte link=topic=4425.msg11660#msg11660 date=1475533367]
[quote author=David MacRay link=topic=4425.msg11640#msg11640 date=1475427621]
Maybe he learned his lesson later flying with guys that just let him slide.
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People allowed to slide learn their lessons around burned metal. Smarten up, this isn't a game, it's not a popularity contest, sometimes feelings need to be hurt.
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My point all along was he refused to fly with the guy.
Sure, you could have embarrassed him by demonstrating how to land on the centerline every time, but why? Just send him packing.
[quote author=David MacRay link=topic=4425.msg11640#msg11640 date=1475427621]
Maybe he learned his lesson later flying with guys that just let him slide.
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People allowed to slide learn their lessons around burned metal. Smarten up, this isn't a game, it's not a popularity contest, sometimes feelings need to be hurt.
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My point all along was he refused to fly with the guy.
Sure, you could have embarrassed him by demonstrating how to land on the centerline every time, but why? Just send him packing.
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Chuck Ellsworth
I refused to fly with him because he refused to fly the airplane as I had requested....
..fly the approach on centre line and land on the centre line.
That is basic flying at the student PPL level.
When he called the company to complain that I was being unfair there was only one possible outcome that would allow him to refuse to comply with my request he follow my instructions.
The company had to promote him to captain and demote me to First Officer.
That did not happen.
Insubordination can not be tolerated in a two crew airplane.
..fly the approach on centre line and land on the centre line.
That is basic flying at the student PPL level.
When he called the company to complain that I was being unfair there was only one possible outcome that would allow him to refuse to comply with my request he follow my instructions.
The company had to promote him to captain and demote me to First Officer.
That did not happen.
Insubordination can not be tolerated in a two crew airplane.
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David MacRay
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I am not following. If we go back a page there is this.
[quote author=Chuck Ellsworth]
... in the end the problem was solved by me.
I refused to fly with him.
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How does that work?
Keeping in mind I am under the impression the problem, is failing to land on the center line.
[quote author=Chuck Ellsworth]
... in the end the problem was solved by me.
I refused to fly with him.
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How does that work?
Keeping in mind I am under the impression the problem, is failing to land on the center line.