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[HiFlyChick]

Good points about the radio, but just to play devil's advocate, the flip side is guys that are afraid to use it.  I've talked to private owners who spend so much time at uncontrolled airports that they are afraid to go to larger towered airports, and it doesn't seem to be the traffic that scares them, but having to talk to ATC.

And while guys blithering away on the radio make me cringe, it also drives me crazy when I'm joining the circuit (or even just in a descent nearing the zone) with another guy in a potential conflict and he refuses to answer my position reports with corresponding ones of his own (and no, I'm not one of those people who makes calls every 2 minutes - flew with a co-pilot like that once and was thoroughly embarrassed)

[Colonel]

[quote]radio ... the flip side is guys that are afraid to use it[/quote]

It might be a generational thing
(old PPLs afraid of ATC) but I sure
wish I met more guys who were
afraid to use the radio.

Most amateur pilots I meet, just won't
shut up.  They hold down that PTT
like it's spitting out money.  Typical
radio transmission:

"Smiths Falls Traffic, uhhhhhh ...
Pressurized Centurion Charlie Foxtrot
Uniform Charlie Kilo is uhhhhh... currently
8.1 miles northwest at uhhhh .... two
thousand one hundred feet, estimating
the field in uhhh .... twenty-one minutes.

All conflicting traffic uhhhh .... please advise
Pressurized Centurion Charlie Foxtrot Uniform
Charlie Kilo on uhhhh .... one two two point seven."

No worries about a mid-air collision - I
have died of old age by the time they
have finished their airline-pilot style
(or so they think) radio transmission.

All I can hope is that they burn out
the comm transmitter.

[HiFlyChick]

Oh no - you're right - some of the guys on traffic advisory frequencies are terrible, but I've had guys talk about how they were flying terribly low just outside a towered airport CZ because they didn't want to talk to ATC.  Yeah - there's a good idea - go incredibly near a busy airport but don't tell anyone what you're doing because you can't talk fast and "professional" like the airline guys

[jump154]

Glad to have found this forum. As a low time pilot, I learned more from The Colonel and Chuck's posts on AvCanada than anything else, including lessons for my non-aviation life.
Found it through a negative comment on the locked 'Trey Kule' thread, and knew what I would find. Looking forward to learning more, and hopefully passing some if it along (I'm now 230 hrs wiser than I was, and still learning)

[Barneydhc82]

Learn something new every day otherwise you won't be around much longer/

Learn from the mistakes of others because you won't live long enough to make them all yourself.

Scudrunner probably heard me say this a long time ago and so far he is still aviating in spite of his instructor.

Barney

[cloudrunner]

[quote author=HiFlyChick link=topic=92.msg254#msg254 date=1432540781]
I've talked to private owners who spend so much time at uncontrolled airports that they are afraid to go to larger towered airports, and it doesn't seem to be the traffic that scares them, but having to talk to ATC.[/quote]

I can understand this, they will sometimes feel like "amateurs" when they hear the quick, anticipatory exchanges between professionals that do it everyday. It would be helpful for everyone if guys/girls in that situation would include a bit of a heads-up for ATC and say something to the effect of "I'm new to this area" or "it's my first time down here". That should be enough of a clue for everyone on that freq to cut him or her a bit of slack and maybe take it a bit slower with them.

I have done it myself in the past coming south into YYZ in an amphib and the guys were all very good about it. I didn't know the one reference point he gave me and said it was my first time in here but I could slot in wherever he wanted. He walked me right into a tight right base had me in a hold until he had a gap. Come to think of it, it was just myself and Kurt Russell in that 206 which was kinda cool, but that's another story...

Where I am flying now, you quite often hear "Student golf-alpha-papa, six miles east" yadda yadda, which I think is a great thing. It lets everyone know this guy is still in the early stages and to have a bit of patience.

[Colonel]

Really useful words to use with ATC:

"Student pilot" - you're not necessarily
stupid, just a newbie

"unfamiliar" - you're not necessarily
stupid, just ignorant of the local practices
and charming landmarks such as "the
bridge that used to be painted silver"
and "the dead horse head".  When ATC
asks me if I know where such things
are located, I reply that I am very good
at vectors.

"progressive taxi" - you are stupid, you
didn't bring an airport diagram  ::)

I will admit to still using all of the above -
and fairly recently!

[ScudRunner-d95]

[quote author=Barneydhc82 link=topic=92.msg377#msg377 date=1433127942]
Learn something new every day otherwise you won't be around much longer/

[u]Learn from the mistakes of others because you won't live long enough to make them all yourself.[/u]

Scudrunner probably heard me say this a long time ago and so far he is still aviating in spite of his instructor.

Barney
[/quote]

Amen Barney! 6000 hours and many types later I cannot stress this point enough to new pilots.

[David MacRay]

I have always liked the original AvCanada ScudRunner. To get a PM with an invite here gave me the warm fuzzys let me tell you.  :)

[ScudRunner-d95]

Glad to have you over here, aviation is full of characters and I hope we all can make this site the go to place without the PC Nazis interfering with our fun.