Citation Into Lake Erie, 6 dead

[Colonel]

[url=http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/12/30/us ... -ohio.html]http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/12/30/us ... -ohio.html[/url]

[quote]The Columbus-bound Cessna Citation 525 departed Burke Lakefront Airport in Cleveland late Thursday night and disappeared from radar about two miles over Lake Erie, north of the airport.

U.S. Coast Guard crews in Ohio have searched for hours on Friday but found no debris after a small plane vanished shortly after takeoff with three adults and three children on board.

Crews heard faint signals from an emergency beacon[/quote]

Wasn't there a similar mysterious after-takeoff Citation fatality in AB or BC recently?

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Here it is:

https://aviation-safety.net/database/re ... 20161013-0

[quote]13 October 2016:

A Cessna 500 Citation I jet has impacted terrain shortly after takeoff from Kelowna Airport, Canada. All four occupants died

... the aircraft at 4800 feet, descending at a rate of -2200 ft /min[/quote]

[anofly]

and one near chicago a few years back , it was put down to autopilot insanity

[Colonel]

I like to hand-fly down low, but I am a bad person.

[vanNostrum]

Black hole departure over water at night?
Single pilot owner PPL issued Jan 2015 Multy IFR  Rotorcraft-Helicopter
Type rated P/CE- 510S
[font=Verdana][size=2]RIP[/size][/font]

[Eric Janson]

Somatogravic illusion?

Conditions were right for this to occur. It can catch out experienced Pilots too.

[Colonel]

Attitude Indicator.  Attitude Indicator.  Attitude Indicator.

[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._K ... ng_factors]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._K ... ng_factors[/url]

The [i]transition[/i] from VFR to IFR is what will kill you.

Fascinating how uninterested people are in knowledge
that will keep them alive.  They seem to have an
intense interest in reliving history, and little interest
in remaining alive, unlike us deplorables.

I will say again:  [u]there will be no new causes of
aircraft accidents in 2017[/u].

I'll bet the paperwork of this Citation and pilot were
perfect.  The big bellies at Tower C tell me that's what's
important.

Being a [b]BAD PERSON[/b], when I was doing instructing,
for a night rating, I would insist on people [i]getting on
the attitude indicator immediately after takeoff[/i]. 

[b]Wings level, 10 degrees nose up attitude[/b]. 

If you don't, you end up like Jim Croce, who died in a
Beech 18 right after takeoff.  Hit the only peach tree
around.  Their paperwork was perfect, too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Croce#Death

[quote]the plane crashed after clipping a pecan tree at the end of the runway. The pilot had failed to gain sufficient altitude to clear the tree and had not tried to avoid it, even though it was the only tree in the area. It was dark, but there was a clear sky, calm winds, and over five miles of visibility with haze.

A later investigation placed the sole blame on pilot error due to his downwind takeoff into a "black hole"—severe darkness limiting use of visual references[/quote]

Another favorite night rating exercise:  put the compass
on W and get out over Algonquin Park.  The students
roll upside down, and then we talk about the need to
get on the attitude indicator, and how dangerous the
[i]transition[/i] is, from VFR to IFR.

[Rookie Pilot]

Depart Rwy 9, Ottawa Rockcliffe, on an overcast, hazy night. Last third isn't lighted, or wasn't last time I was there, then over the dark river. Fun stuff. Longer runways at night are easier, can glance down and see the lights receding, helps the transition. Not Rockcliffe.

[Strega]

I think its sad that pilots that are flying a jet cannot even fly a departure at night....


Condolences to the families of the deceased.

[ramjet555]

There have been a string of single pilot Citation accidents.


Its only a matter of time before Transport Canada bans all single pilot operations in Citations.

[Colonel]

If in fact that was his problem, he would have had
it in any airplane.  Not sure it's fair to blame this on
the aircraft type.