Shiney:
You and I are so far apart on the subject of flight training that I seldom respond to your posts.
No I do not want more power given to TC as they already have all they need.
What I would like to see is TC at least make sure the commercial pilots you people are turning out can land on the centre line.
But I am not surprised at the pathetic product a lot of schools turn out when their instructors can't do it either.
The schools do have control over quality training if they choose to but they obviously don't bother.
When I owned my school I would not employ a flight instructor who couldn't fly and teach same, if they became complacent I fired them....
..and at least one of them ended up at TC.
Center lines...
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Strega
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Chuck,
If your "instructor" (220 hr pilot) cannot land on the centerline (because he sucks) how on earth is a young student going to be able to do so?
I wonder how many "instructors" actually learn basic flying skills at the expense of their students?
If your "instructor" (220 hr pilot) cannot land on the centerline (because he sucks) how on earth is a young student going to be able to do so?
I wonder how many "instructors" actually learn basic flying skills at the expense of their students?
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Colonel
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[quote]I'm open to hear suggestions[/quote]
I've told this story before ... a candidate for his
initial class 4 instructor rating flunked his ride.
He simply couldn't keep the ball anywhere near
the center in a 172, and the examiner flunked him.
So many things wrong with this ...
- how did he pass his PPL?
- how did he pass his CPL?
- where the hell was his class 1?
He simply had no idea how to use the rudder
pedals, not because he was stupid, but because
no one had bothered to teach him.
I took him up in the Maule, which demands
skilled rudder usage, both in the air and on
the ground. We did rolls (banking) around
a point at 70 mph, some falling leaf, and
then into the 172 to do some more.
And, he quickly learned how to use the rudders,
and passed his class 4. Last I heard he was
a CFI at a Montreal FTU. Probably moved on
by now.
So. Do people simply not care about basic
fundamental stick and rudder skills, or do they
just not have a clue, because they were taught
by a low-time pilot that didn't have a clue, either?
You want people to learn to use the rudders,
have them learn to fly in a tailwheel aircraft on
a single paved runway with frequent strong
crosswinds. That will build some character.
Like Key West, where that asshole Jimmy
Buffet wrecked his new Stearman after telling
Freddy he didn't need any dual.
Unfortunately, tailwheel ab initio is even more
of a fantasy than having 10,000TT ATPL's as
instructors - those tailwheel trainers and competent
instructors simply don't exist any more.
So, after all this mutual mental masturbation,
flight training in Canada is a train wreck, the
products of it are shit, and no one can do
anything about it, and I'm not sure anyone
really cares.
Hey, I tried for 25 years, and all I got was shit
on by fat TC Inspectors like Arlo and Laird that
hated me and my family. They can go fuck
themselves.
That reminds me. When do I get my iPhone and
laptop back from TC? They've had them now for
what, 8 months?
I've told this story before ... a candidate for his
initial class 4 instructor rating flunked his ride.
He simply couldn't keep the ball anywhere near
the center in a 172, and the examiner flunked him.
So many things wrong with this ...
- how did he pass his PPL?
- how did he pass his CPL?
- where the hell was his class 1?
He simply had no idea how to use the rudder
pedals, not because he was stupid, but because
no one had bothered to teach him.
I took him up in the Maule, which demands
skilled rudder usage, both in the air and on
the ground. We did rolls (banking) around
a point at 70 mph, some falling leaf, and
then into the 172 to do some more.
And, he quickly learned how to use the rudders,
and passed his class 4. Last I heard he was
a CFI at a Montreal FTU. Probably moved on
by now.
So. Do people simply not care about basic
fundamental stick and rudder skills, or do they
just not have a clue, because they were taught
by a low-time pilot that didn't have a clue, either?
You want people to learn to use the rudders,
have them learn to fly in a tailwheel aircraft on
a single paved runway with frequent strong
crosswinds. That will build some character.
Like Key West, where that asshole Jimmy
Buffet wrecked his new Stearman after telling
Freddy he didn't need any dual.
Unfortunately, tailwheel ab initio is even more
of a fantasy than having 10,000TT ATPL's as
instructors - those tailwheel trainers and competent
instructors simply don't exist any more.
So, after all this mutual mental masturbation,
flight training in Canada is a train wreck, the
products of it are shit, and no one can do
anything about it, and I'm not sure anyone
really cares.
Hey, I tried for 25 years, and all I got was shit
on by fat TC Inspectors like Arlo and Laird that
hated me and my family. They can go fuck
themselves.
That reminds me. When do I get my iPhone and
laptop back from TC? They've had them now for
what, 8 months?
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Colonel
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Shit flight training in Canada reminds me.
Was talking to a nice guy I know, he bought
a little twin and got his multi rating.
And, he doesn't have a fucking clue what to
do, if one engine coughs after takeoff.
He thought he could always just fly away on
one little four cylinder engine, regardless of
the weight and density altitude.
He and his family (and whatever pax he has)
are future road kill. He has been totally failed
by flight training in Canada, which is a complete
disaster. But he has paper, so those morons
at TC think it's ok for him to die if anything
goes wrong.
Was talking to a nice guy I know, he bought
a little twin and got his multi rating.
And, he doesn't have a fucking clue what to
do, if one engine coughs after takeoff.
He thought he could always just fly away on
one little four cylinder engine, regardless of
the weight and density altitude.
He and his family (and whatever pax he has)
are future road kill. He has been totally failed
by flight training in Canada, which is a complete
disaster. But he has paper, so those morons
at TC think it's ok for him to die if anything
goes wrong.
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Chuck Ellsworth
What really makes me laugh is these " class one " instructors that can't fly a simple tail wheel airplane like a Cessna 140.
The whole flight training industry is a sad joke and only good at milking the public out of their money.
The chief flight instructor from the biggest school in B.C. stopped with her student to have a coffee at my school one day and wanted to know who owned that airplane out there that was covered in " canvass " she didn't even know what fabric is.
Anyhow I told her it was one of my training airplanes and offered her a lesson in it for free, she said she would never get in something so dangerous looking.
It was a Piper J3.
The whole flight training industry is a sad joke and only good at milking the public out of their money.
The chief flight instructor from the biggest school in B.C. stopped with her student to have a coffee at my school one day and wanted to know who owned that airplane out there that was covered in " canvass " she didn't even know what fabric is.
Anyhow I told her it was one of my training airplanes and offered her a lesson in it for free, she said she would never get in something so dangerous looking.
It was a Piper J3.
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Colonel
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[quote]"class one" instructors that can't fly a simple tail wheel airplane[/quote]
Indeed. Perhaps I am setting the bar too high,
but a class 1 instructor should be able to jump
into any certified trainer (after a quick glance at
the POH) and be able to fly it, and instruct on it.
When the bar is set as low as it is today, we get
shit pilots. See the Law of Inequalities.
PS It took me 10 years of instructing to get my
class 1. At the end of it, I could jump into any
certified, homebuilt or experimental/exhibition
aircraft (tailwheel, nosewheel, fabric, biplane,
aerobatics, radial engine, geared, turbocharged,
supercharged, antique, warbird, jet) and give
dual on it.
And TC says I am a shitty pilot and worse
instructor after 40+ years of safe flying.
Ok, I accept and embrace the fat fuck rhetoric.
All the class 1's in Canada are better pilots and
instructors than I. Then, why do they have
trouble flying a simple tailwheel trainer?
Something wrong with the fat fuck logic.
Indeed. Perhaps I am setting the bar too high,
but a class 1 instructor should be able to jump
into any certified trainer (after a quick glance at
the POH) and be able to fly it, and instruct on it.
When the bar is set as low as it is today, we get
shit pilots. See the Law of Inequalities.
PS It took me 10 years of instructing to get my
class 1. At the end of it, I could jump into any
certified, homebuilt or experimental/exhibition
aircraft (tailwheel, nosewheel, fabric, biplane,
aerobatics, radial engine, geared, turbocharged,
supercharged, antique, warbird, jet) and give
dual on it.
And TC says I am a shitty pilot and worse
instructor after 40+ years of safe flying.
Ok, I accept and embrace the fat fuck rhetoric.
All the class 1's in Canada are better pilots and
instructors than I. Then, why do they have
trouble flying a simple tailwheel trainer?
Something wrong with the fat fuck logic.
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David MacRay
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The J-3 "too dangerous" is kind of funny. Even though with that particular pilot at the controls would probably be true.
I would not just expect to be able to fly a j-3 safely on pavement without some dual. Give me a nice dry prepared grass circle and some time and I might give it a try.
Speaking of fat.. I have a very nice new family doctor and she has officially told me to stop being as fat as I have gotten. We will see how that works.
I would not just expect to be able to fly a j-3 safely on pavement without some dual. Give me a nice dry prepared grass circle and some time and I might give it a try.
Speaking of fat.. I have a very nice new family doctor and she has officially told me to stop being as fat as I have gotten. We will see how that works.
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Colonel
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[quote]there is simply not demand for good flight training[/quote]
Not sure about that. If you asked people, I
really doubt they'd say they were looking for
shit flight training.
It's just that their definition of "good" is
"cheap and fast".
I get it that people starting out, don't know
good from bad. Same as hiring a building
contractor.
But by the time someone has finished their
CPL, they should be interested in being a
skilled and knowledgeable pilot - which results
from (my definition of "good" i.e.) quality flight
training.
However, they aren't interested in being either
skilled or knowledgeable. They are happy crashing
and dying and injuring and killing themselves
and their passengers.
This puzzles us old guys. I have never crashed,
but I have been told that it is very noisy and it
hurts, so I will do everything to avoid it - by
becoming skilled and knowledgeable.
Sometimes an accident is only avoided by a
tiny little action or decision on your part -
little bit of skill or knowledge that you picked
up over the decades.
I dunno. I care about not having an accident.
[img width=500 height=375]http://hpub.org/wp-content/uploads/2014 ... tface2.jpg[/img]
Today's hipster pilots don't care if they crash,
so it's ok that they are unskilled and ignorant.
Fucking weird. Must be great to be a hipster
pilot. Feel no pain, feel no shame.
Not sure about that. If you asked people, I
really doubt they'd say they were looking for
shit flight training.
It's just that their definition of "good" is
"cheap and fast".
I get it that people starting out, don't know
good from bad. Same as hiring a building
contractor.
But by the time someone has finished their
CPL, they should be interested in being a
skilled and knowledgeable pilot - which results
from (my definition of "good" i.e.) quality flight
training.
However, they aren't interested in being either
skilled or knowledgeable. They are happy crashing
and dying and injuring and killing themselves
and their passengers.
This puzzles us old guys. I have never crashed,
but I have been told that it is very noisy and it
hurts, so I will do everything to avoid it - by
becoming skilled and knowledgeable.
Sometimes an accident is only avoided by a
tiny little action or decision on your part -
little bit of skill or knowledge that you picked
up over the decades.
I dunno. I care about not having an accident.
[img width=500 height=375]http://hpub.org/wp-content/uploads/2014 ... tface2.jpg[/img]
Today's hipster pilots don't care if they crash,
so it's ok that they are unskilled and ignorant.
Fucking weird. Must be great to be a hipster
pilot. Feel no pain, feel no shame.