Which would you load your wife and kids (ok,
maybe just your kids) onto - and why?
1) one pilot, two piston engines
2) two pilots, one turbo-prop engine
Keep in mind that if you've ever taken the
kids flying in a bugsmasher, you chose this:
0) one pilot, one piston engine ;D
Your reasoning is probably more interesting
than just a bare answer.
Which redundancy?
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Chuck Ellsworth
Your question is a bit to vague Colonel.
I would take a piston twin that has good single engine performance and one competent twin engine pilot.
Ideally it would be a Grumman Tiger Cat and me flying it.
I would take a piston twin that has good single engine performance and one competent twin engine pilot.
Ideally it would be a Grumman Tiger Cat and me flying it.
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Rookie Pilot
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No contest.
Turbine rules -- one pilot or 2. Accident Stats prove it.
Problem with twins, you gotta be sharp if something happens. And if it does, (on takeoff) and even if control is kept but plane descends into the ground, stall speed is a whole lot faster than a PC 12.
Turbine rules -- one pilot or 2. Accident Stats prove it.
Problem with twins, you gotta be sharp if something happens. And if it does, (on takeoff) and even if control is kept but plane descends into the ground, stall speed is a whole lot faster than a PC 12.
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Chuck Ellsworth
If multi engine airplanes are more dangerous than single engine airplanes why do the airlines not fly only single engine airplanes.
As to single engine turbine engine airplanes being safer I have had two engines fail on twin engine airplanes one over water, very cold water.
Had I been flying a single engine turbine I may not be here.
The argument that twins are less safe than single engine airplanes because pilots lose control of them when they fail is because of the lack of flying skills of the pilots ...period.
As to single engine turbine engine airplanes being safer I have had two engines fail on twin engine airplanes one over water, very cold water.
Had I been flying a single engine turbine I may not be here.
The argument that twins are less safe than single engine airplanes because pilots lose control of them when they fail is because of the lack of flying skills of the pilots ...period.
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Rookie Pilot
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Airlines fly twin TURBINE aircaft.
Light Piston twins -- far different on one engine than turbines. I don't like that aspect.
There are a lot of SE turbines flying different work. Except for iced up caravans -- pretty good safety record.
Piston twin accidents have a nasty habit -- of being fatal accidents.
Light Piston twins -- far different on one engine than turbines. I don't like that aspect.
There are a lot of SE turbines flying different work. Except for iced up caravans -- pretty good safety record.
Piston twin accidents have a nasty habit -- of being fatal accidents.
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Chuck Ellsworth
I really get irritated by the argument that piston engine airplanes are dangerous because pilots lose control of them if an engine quits.
If you do not feel you are capable of flying a twin engine airplane because an engine may quit and you can not control it then I agree with you.....don't fly them because they might kill you because you can not fly it properly.
I have many thousands of hours in piston engine airplanes around twenty thousand hours and have had several engine failures two of which were just after lift off on take off and I have never ever lost control of one nor damaged one.
If you lose an engine in a single engine airplane you are going to have to land it within its gliding distance which may not be very far.
In even the most underpowered piston engine twin you will be able to fly a hell of a lot farther than you can glide.
Sometimes I get really depressed with aviation and some of the misinformation pilots believe in.
How much multi engine training have you had Rookie, and who taught you such nonsense?
If you do not feel you are capable of flying a twin engine airplane because an engine may quit and you can not control it then I agree with you.....don't fly them because they might kill you because you can not fly it properly.
I have many thousands of hours in piston engine airplanes around twenty thousand hours and have had several engine failures two of which were just after lift off on take off and I have never ever lost control of one nor damaged one.
If you lose an engine in a single engine airplane you are going to have to land it within its gliding distance which may not be very far.
In even the most underpowered piston engine twin you will be able to fly a hell of a lot farther than you can glide.
Sometimes I get really depressed with aviation and some of the misinformation pilots believe in.
How much multi engine training have you had Rookie, and who taught you such nonsense?
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Rookie Pilot
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Zero.
But the accident stats are clear. I can read, and analyse. And I would choose a SE turbine over a twin piston, every time.
The forum is asking opinions and why. I've given those.
If looking for an argument, then I will gracefully bow out. Argue with the three other participants here.
If it makes you feel better to think I can't handle a twin, perhaps you are correct.
I'm done here.
Now someone can get cute and present the hurt feelings report.
What a waste of time.
But the accident stats are clear. I can read, and analyse. And I would choose a SE turbine over a twin piston, every time.
The forum is asking opinions and why. I've given those.
If looking for an argument, then I will gracefully bow out. Argue with the three other participants here.
If it makes you feel better to think I can't handle a twin, perhaps you are correct.
I'm done here.
Now someone can get cute and present the hurt feelings report.
What a waste of time.
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Chuck Ellsworth
By the way airlines used to fly multi engine piston engine airplanes.
I have thousands of hours flying airline multi engine piston powered airplanes DC3 and DC6.
The big piston engine airline airplanes were far more demanding to operate than modern turbines that are operated in a large degree by computers, yet we somehow managed to fly the pioston engine ones just as safely as the turbines.
I have thousands of hours flying airline multi engine piston powered airplanes DC3 and DC6.
The big piston engine airline airplanes were far more demanding to operate than modern turbines that are operated in a large degree by computers, yet we somehow managed to fly the pioston engine ones just as safely as the turbines.
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Chuck Ellsworth
I was not trying to get you pissed off to make you quit posting Rookie, I was giving my opinion and backing it up with my personal experience flying them.
When I said " YOU " it was meant to be generic and cover all poorly trained multi engine pilots...not you personally.
If you want to quit because I hurt your feelings that was not my intent....my intent was to give my opinion, just like you have your opinion.
When I said " YOU " it was meant to be generic and cover all poorly trained multi engine pilots...not you personally.
If you want to quit because I hurt your feelings that was not my intent....my intent was to give my opinion, just like you have your opinion.
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Chuck Ellsworth
it is time for me to take a holiday from posting on forums because it looks like I only piss people off.
Rookie you may be correct..reading my stuff is just a waste of time.
You need not leave I'll take a holiday to let the forum get back to a more informative P.C. warm fuzzy kind of hand holding club.
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