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Treat every landing as if you were on fire and flamed out
and that will always yield the best results.
Never Overshoot, Ok?
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Eric Janson
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Not sure how they managed to end up there. The final report will hopefully clarify what happened.
A quick look at the airport shows they most likely landed off an ILS approach.
Runway is plenty long for a 737 and the weather reports don't show anything unusual.
A quick look at the airport shows they most likely landed off an ILS approach.
Runway is plenty long for a 737 and the weather reports don't show anything unusual.
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Liquid Charlie
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I don't know about that - the way the aircraft is sitting the runway is only 200 ft long
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vanNostrum
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Pegasus is a P2F airline, maybe one of the top guns was PF ?
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Slick Goodlin
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If you're going to go off the runway, may as well do it somewhere [i]exciting![/i]
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Eric Janson
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The [b]rumour[/b] I'm hearing is that the FO was flying.
They saw the runway at minimums and the FO disconnected the autopilot but hit the TOGA switches instead of the disconnect switches for the autothrottles (They are very close to each other and it's an easy thing to do).
Capt took over and pulled the thrust to idle. Did not disconnect the autothrust.
Once the thrust levers were released they moved up to give TOGA thrust and they lost directional control.
One thrust reverser may have been inoperative.
This would certainly explain how they ended up where they did.
[b]If something like this ever happens to you - continue with the go-around. Safest option.[/b]
They saw the runway at minimums and the FO disconnected the autopilot but hit the TOGA switches instead of the disconnect switches for the autothrottles (They are very close to each other and it's an easy thing to do).
Capt took over and pulled the thrust to idle. Did not disconnect the autothrust.
Once the thrust levers were released they moved up to give TOGA thrust and they lost directional control.
One thrust reverser may have been inoperative.
This would certainly explain how they ended up where they did.
[b]If something like this ever happens to you - continue with the go-around. Safest option.[/b]
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Nark1
First airline and super fancy sim sessions:
We did go-around, and the guy sitting in the left seat(PF (we were both new-hire FO's)) hit the autothrust disconnect, instead of the go-around button.
He came from the CRJ. Go around button is in the same spot as the autothrust disconnect in the 170/190.
Sequence of events happen almost simultaneously:
Go -Around was called.
He disconnected autothrust.
Pitches to 15* or so (which is muscle memory and not following the FD, since the system still thought we were doing the ILS)
He does his callout "go around FLAPS."
I oblige.
I'm looking for positive rate, and announce it.
(You sharp individuals are asking yourself, what about the airspeed, with the pitch change and lack of thrust? We're getting to that...)
"Positive rate"
"Gear up!"
About this time I notice a red line on the left side of the EFIS. Something I haven't seen before...or at least in this phase of flight.
"Airspeed!" I squeak.
Yessir, we are well on our way to stalling the aircraft.
Several lessons learned from that. Primary being, [b][u]verify[/u][/b] it's doing what you told it to do.
If you select TOGA (go-around) make sure the damned thrust levers move, Or in the case of Airbus, they are in the most forward detent.
We did go-around, and the guy sitting in the left seat(PF (we were both new-hire FO's)) hit the autothrust disconnect, instead of the go-around button.
He came from the CRJ. Go around button is in the same spot as the autothrust disconnect in the 170/190.
Sequence of events happen almost simultaneously:
Go -Around was called.
He disconnected autothrust.
Pitches to 15* or so (which is muscle memory and not following the FD, since the system still thought we were doing the ILS)
He does his callout "go around FLAPS."
I oblige.
I'm looking for positive rate, and announce it.
(You sharp individuals are asking yourself, what about the airspeed, with the pitch change and lack of thrust? We're getting to that...)
"Positive rate"
"Gear up!"
About this time I notice a red line on the left side of the EFIS. Something I haven't seen before...or at least in this phase of flight.
"Airspeed!" I squeak.
Yessir, we are well on our way to stalling the aircraft.
Several lessons learned from that. Primary being, [b][u]verify[/u][/b] it's doing what you told it to do.
If you select TOGA (go-around) make sure the damned thrust levers move, Or in the case of Airbus, they are in the most forward detent.
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Eric Janson
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Anytime you're disconnecting something - check the flight mode annunciators on the screen in front of you to confirm the correct indication.
Same if you select TOGA thrust - and as Nark correctly says follow up on the thrust levers.
I prefer the airbus where you push the thrust levers fully forward to get TOGA thrust - simple and intuitive (although people have got this wrong as well!).
Same if you select TOGA thrust - and as Nark correctly says follow up on the thrust levers.
I prefer the airbus where you push the thrust levers fully forward to get TOGA thrust - simple and intuitive (although people have got this wrong as well!).
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