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Just another day in Asia - Tokyo edition
Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:22 am
by Eric Janson
Another very close call - at least the Captain finally made a go-around (too late imho).
A nice example of a single pilot operation.
https://www.mlit.go.jp/jtsb/eng-air_report/HS-TGX.pdf
This why a lot of companies prohibit circling approaches - they are beyond the ability of most Pilots to fly.
Re: Just another day in Asia - Tokyo edition
Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:39 am
by Dave Kujan
Without a GS, four bars are similarly extremely dangerous.
Re: Just another day in Asia - Tokyo edition
Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 12:54 pm
by Colonel
it never stops:
https://www.foxnews.com/world/india-fli ... way-expert
I have an Andrew Jackson that says they were 'way over Vref, touched down long,
and refused to go around despite the pooched approach. Better to crash than go
around.
You know. Another four bar day.
Don't blame the vis and the wet runway for a badly flown approach, four bars.
UNLESS YOU'RE BOB HOOVER, DON'T TRY PUSH A BAD APPROACH INTO A GOOD LANDING
It takes a really good pilot to convert a bad approach into a good landing, and
you're a four bars. You're a shitty pilot. We know that because you fly bad approaches
and have four gold bars on your shoulders.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asiana_Ai ... Flight_214
A four bar moment: "Oh no! The GS is out in perfect wx! Let's crash into the seawall at SFO!"
1) Basic aircraft handling skills
2) aircraft systems knowledge
It's not fucking rocket science, four bars.
And that's not a "hard landing". Nice spin doctoring.
When AC tries to land without a GS, it's best to look up the number for the TSB,
because you're going to need it.
Re: Just another day in Asia - Tokyo edition
Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 1:29 pm
by Slick Goodlin
Colonel wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 12:54 pm
A four bar moment: "Oh no! The GS is out in perfect wx! Let's crash into the seawall at SFO!"
The GS doesn’t have to be out to do a crappy approach. Personally, I like having some sort of internal vertical reference even on a visual but it seems like especially in SFO I’m the only one. Makes for an interesting night when you’re at ‘go-around means a diversion to alternate’ fuel and the 777 a quarter mile ahead for the parallel runway can’t stay in his own lane.
Re: Just another day in Asia - Tokyo edition
Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:18 pm
by Colonel
Needles in the donuts, and nail the airspeed.
Two things to remember. I know, it's a lot.
Re: Just another day in Asia - Tokyo edition
Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2020 7:04 pm
by digits
Slick Goodlin wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 1:29 pm
[when you’re at ‘go-around means a diversion to alternate’ fuel
Assuming you can make a landing at your destination airport and the go-around is only caused by other traffic, why would that be the case? Is that a company SOP?
Re: Just another day in Asia - Tokyo edition
Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2020 7:12 pm
by JW Scud
Colonel wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:18 pm
Needles in the donuts
That could be an Airbus call, but for power setting. Needles to donuts.
Re: Just another day in Asia - Tokyo edition
Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2020 8:33 pm
by Slick Goodlin
digits wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 7:04 pm
Slick Goodlin wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 1:29 pm
[when you’re at ‘go-around means a diversion to alternate’ fuel
Assuming you can make a landing at your destination airport and the go-around is only caused by other traffic, why would that be the case? Is that a company SOP?
Without looking it up, basically yes. There are of course various other options under different circumstances but this time around neither one of us was looking forward to taking responsibility for the decision to ultimately eat into our reserve fuel. FWIW the guy with the 777 eventually found his runway (yay) and we landed without incident, other than of course being annoyed by the experience.