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Buy This Airplane

Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2022 4:53 pm
by Colonel
For Sale: Pitts S1c 248 HP

If your wife is gonna say no, have never flown a Pitts alone, have little tailwheel time, or will have to eat canned tuna for the rest of your life to buy this, it's not the plane for you.

Plane is located in Santa Paula, CA...if you buy it delivery will occur there.

-This is a long fuselage S1c - I'm 6'4" and I fit fine with a seat pack parachute.
-782 lbs...the plane, not me
-No airframe mods since original build from plans
-All mechanical, electrical, instruments, fuel system, replaced since 2017.
-Have all logs since original build
-Built in 1973
-Recovered in 2004 with Ceconite
-Penn Yan built Lycoming 360 (2020), dyno tested at 2700 RPM making 248hp:
New case
New AEIO crank
12.5:1 pistons
Nitrided cylinders
Profiled cam for high output
Sky Dynamics 4:1 exhaust
Sky Dynamics Cold air intake
Sky Dynamics cylinder girdles
Ignition: 1 Electroair Electronic Ignition System and 1 Magneto
RSA fuel injection
less than 10 hours on this engine
Can be run up to 3300 RPM if you like really short TBO
-Carbon Fiber ram air intake
-Cato 3-blade fixed pitch prop engineered for that engine
-EarthX Lithium battery

-Instruments:
Mechanical airspeed & altimeter
Sandia SAI 340
JPI EDM 900 engine monitor
Garmin Aera 510
Flightline 760 VHF
Sandia STX 165 Transponder
Uavionix Echouat ADS-B
Pictures: https://www.dropbox.com/s/25x6zie4fvfam ... 1.pdf?dl=0
Video Takeoff to 2500' on downwind:

Lot's of $$$ spent to build this, especially that engine...

MAKE OFFER

Regards,

Spencer Suderman
spencer@spencersuderman.com

Re: Buy This Airplane

Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2022 5:02 pm
by Colonel
Hey PorkChops. I'm talkin' to you.

Re: Buy This Airplane

Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:25 pm
by Slick Goodlin
That’s a lot more airplane than I want but what a machine!

Re: Buy This Airplane

Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2022 10:32 pm
by Colonel
I wanna know what Juan Browne paid for that 1959 C310 …. I’m guessing peanuts, from some old guy.

Re: Buy This Airplane

Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2022 11:46 pm
by Big Pistons Forever
Buying an old airplane is the cheap part. Getting it running and keeping it airworthy is when you start spending serious coin…..

Re: Buy This Airplane

Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2022 2:18 am
by digits
Ah, only an S1C... That means it should be cheap.... ;)


Not sure if it is impressive or scary they are getting 248 HP out of a lycoming 360....

Re: Buy This Airplane

Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:49 am
by Colonel
782 pounds and 248 hp. You do the arithmetic.

I was intruiged that he got that power at only 2700 RPM.

One must wonder what his BMEP is. And how much power it makes at 3300 RPM!

Recall that a stock TCM GTSIO-520 runs 3400 RPM every takeoff with 3/2 prop ratio.

A friend of mine tried running a turbo on his 4 cylinder Pitts. It didn't last long - I presume
the bearings weren't happy with the precession. The Pitts didn't last long, either - anyone
remember the Ottawa airshow in Carp in the late 80's?

Re: Buy This Airplane

Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2022 7:33 pm
by Colonel
Interesting comparison.

Certified TCM GTSIO-520-K puts out 435hp or 435/520= 0.84 hp per cubic inch

Hotrod Lyc 360 on the brink of destruction puts out 248hp or 248/360= 0.69 hp per cubic inch

Generally the smaller engine puts out more hp/cubic inch

Re: Buy This Airplane

Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2022 9:30 pm
by digits
Colonel wrote:
Tue Mar 01, 2022 7:33 pm
Interesting comparison.

Certified TCM GTSIO-520-K puts out 435hp or 435/520= 0.84 hp per cubic inch

Hotrod Lyc 360 on the brink of destruction puts out 248hp or 248/360= 0.69 hp per cubic inch

Generally the smaller engine puts out more hp/cubic inch
So what you are saying is that they could go for even MORE POWER

Re: Buy This Airplane

Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2022 10:40 pm
by Colonel
Well … if the Lycoming 360 made the same power per cubic inch as the Continental it would be over 300hp.

Just sayin’ … the cylinders are roughly similar dimensions… about 90 cubic inches per jug, and I’m guessing rhe bore and stroke and combustion chamber are similar.

With the same BMEP and the same RPM, volumetric efficiency might be the only big variable.