Improved directional stability results in easy directional control
Hiliarious reading. Here's what the "student" said:
"Departed KMEV about 1300, and returned to pattern about 30 minutes later. Began visual approach slightly high, instructor recommended a slip or go-around. I slipped the plane down to proper glidepath and at the instructor's command removed the slip. touched down slightly right of centerline, maybe 300-500 feet down the runway. The right main touched first, followed by the left main and then the nose wheel within about 1-2 seconds. A slight left crab was detected of about 1-3 degrees, as the plane was tracking down the runway. As I was about to put in right rudder, the instructor grabbed the yoke with both hands and applied full left aileron. relinquished control to the instructor. The plane immediately turned left and eventually began to slide as the turn approached the 90 degree point. The instructor kept full left aileron throughout the maneuver until we exited the runway hard surface, hit the dirt, and flipped over. For reasons unknown, the instructor applied the incorrect input for the situation. The correct input or none in this case, would have prevented the crash."
And here's what the "instructor" said:
"At approximately 13:30 on May 30, 2021, Cessna 757ZZ made a landing on runway 34. The intention was a touch- and- go. However upon the rollout, pilot flying began to veer slightly right of centerline and overcorrected with excessive left rudder and brakes. I was in the right seat and called for the pilot flying to get off the brake and attempted to regain control, with opposite rudder. Pilot flying froze up and | was unable to gain control from the pilot flying. Aircraft exited the runway and was overturned beside runway 34. I then turned the mixture, magnetos, and master off, as the pilot was not performing necessary tasks to secure and exit the aircraft after being prompted to do so. l unbuckled the pilot's seat belt and opened the door for him to exit."
Gotta watch out for those fire-breathing dragons, the Cessna 182. A treacherous beast.
You cannot make this shit up.
Re: Advantages of Nosewheel Aircraft
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:29 pm
by Nark
My 182 is part of a flying club with 3 airline pilots… I’m limited to three pilots due to insurance coverage.
Initially I was miffed, but after seeing this example, just because you fly an A320 safely (arguably) doesn’t mean you can fly a 182 safely. You need proficiency in BOTH!
See the Air Canada flight in to SFO. Lining up on a runway to one of the biggest airports in the world is difficult.
It’s not like there are several ways the Airbus can give you guidance. Or, you know, look outside.
Re: Advantages of Nosewheel Aircraft
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:42 pm
by Colonel
As God is my witness, I never thought directional control on the runway was much
of a problem with the 182.
Biggest problem with the 182 is pilots not trimming back enough on final as they
slow down. If they don't do that, the required back pressure in the flare will surprise
them, they won't pull hard enough, the nosewheel smashes down, rivets pop off the
nose gear, and the firewall wrinkles. First thing I look at, on a used 182. Second is
corrosion, third is probably those goddamned bladders.
That's about it for the 182. Sure, it's got cowl flaps and this mysterious blue knob,
but ...
Just trim nose up on final to get rid of the back pressure on the column.
Re: Advantages of Nosewheel Aircraft
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:48 pm
by Colonel
just because you fly an A320 safely (arguably) doesn’t mean you can fly a 182 safely
I know an AC pilot, at the time he was flying 320's. Bought a Pitts S-2C, he said it kept him sharp.
Re: Advantages of Nosewheel Aircraft
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 4:28 pm
by Nark
I can see within 2 minutes whether a new pilot (to the bus) has any experience outside a traffic pattern and an RJ.
I’m not a good pilot. I require a lot of practice in the pattern to land the 180. I’m also not a great A320 captain, because I make (not ask..) my FO students fly every leg of OE after I demo the first one. Repetition. Holy shit, does wonders.
I also make them fly a no-automation takeoff. And at some point closer to the end of OE, I make them fly an autopilot and auto thrust off approach.
Haven’t crashed in to 3 heavies waiting to depart SFO yet… or landed hundreds of feet short of the runway. Or stalled it on landing…
Re: Advantages of Nosewheel Aircraft
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 4:48 pm
by Colonel
I have faith in you. Keep trying, and one of these days you'll succeed
But seriously ... I don't know anyone who can be really good at something
with no practice, even though that's the script of every Hollywood movie.
Everyone think they're entitled to be a natural. A one-in-a-billion phenomenon.
Statistics are against them, but hey, people still buy lottery tickets.
My landings got better after the first 10,000 is all I know for certain.
I can't promise you success, if you work hard. But I can promise you failure if you don't.
