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DAMN. JUST DAMN

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:32 pm
by John Swallow

Flapless approach results in wheels-up landing...


http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2019/02/d ... n2165.html

Re: DAMN. JUST DAMN

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2019 10:37 pm
by Eric Janson
Instead of trying to salvage a rushed approach that was going wrong - go around and start over!

Instructor having almost no experience on Type + Pilot appeared to be new on Type didn't help either.

Doesn't say if the Pilot was the owner - possibly another case where money allowed skill level to be exceeded?

Seen too many of those accident reports over the years. At least they survived.

Re: DAMN. JUST DAMN

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:46 am
by Colonel
A common failing I see in pilots is the [u]inability to prioritize[/u].

Simply, they don't understand what's important, and what's not.

See my gazillion checklist rants, which seem to be pretty universally
designed to distract you from what you really should be doing.  I think
some people consider that funny, to make people crash.

I don't use checklists in any of the many unusual types I have flown
over the decades, and I've never had an accident in 45 years.  Checklists
are for people that need more training to meet the standard.

How many bicycle racers on the Tour de France have training wheels
attached?

[img width=500 height=500]https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/713a30 ... cebe8.jpeg[/img]

How many motorcycle racers are reading, "How To Ride" books during the Isle of Man TT?

How many fighter pilots are reading "Energy Management Theory" by John Boyd
during air combat maneuvering?

If you need a checklist, you should do something other than fly an airplane.  Really.

Re: DAMN. JUST DAMN

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:05 pm
by Slick Goodlin
[quote author=Colonel Sanders link=topic=9504.msg26860#msg26860 date=1551163590]
How many bicycle racers on the Tour de France have training wheels
attached?

How many motorcycle racers are reading, "How To Ride" books during the Isle of Man TT?

How many fighter pilots are reading "Energy Management Theory" by John Boyd
during air combat maneuvering?

If you need a checklist, you should do something other than fly an airplane.  Really.
[/quote]
Somewhere I have a picture I took of myself frantically reading 'The Compleat Taildragger Pilot' in the circuit, so I guess I don't make the cut.

Re: DAMN. JUST DAMN

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:09 am
by John Swallow

[left][color=black][font=arial]"I don't use checklists in any of the many unusual types..."[/font][/color][/left]

[left][color=black][font=arial]Andrew:[/font][/color][/left]

[left][color=black][font=arial]Do you mean you don't use printed or digital checklists?  [/font][/color][/left]

[color=black][font=arial]Because if you're using (or teaching):[/font][/color]

[font=arial]Control[/font]
[font=arial]Power [/font]
[font=arial]Drag[/font]
[font=arial]Identify[/font]
[font=arial]Verify[/font]
[font=arial]Feather[/font]

[font=arial]in response to an engine failure, you're using a checklist.  Committed to memory, but a checklist nonetheless...[/font]

[font=arial]Same with any type of a taxi-check, pre-take-off check, post take-off check, level-off check, pre-descent check, downwind check, pre-landing check, post-landing check etc.[/font]

[font=arial]You must have some sort of a mnemonic or system that lets you get everything on or off, up or down, in or out in the proper sequence...?[/font]

[font=arial]I agree that for all these dinky little airplanes we fly, I don't use a printed checklist either; "Here Comes The Flight Safety Officer" has stood me in good stead over the years.[/font]

The military jets I flew used a checklist - there was a printed check list carried, but the items had been reduced to the above mnemonic...[font=arial]  [/font]



[font=arial]    [/font]

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Re: DAMN. JUST DAMN

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2019 2:07 am
by Colonel
Correct.  I don't read any kind of printed or electronic book when I fly an airplane.

It is ludicrous to do so.  It's such a stupid idea, my son made a hilarious video about attempting to do so:



He was of course investigated by TC for that video.  They have no sense of humor.

Aviation is not primarily an exercise in egalitarianism.  Not everyone [i]can[/i] fly an airplane, nor should they.

I fly an airplane like I ride a motorcycle, with my head on a swivel.  I don't
ride into an intersection with my head down, reading a book.  I don't fly into
an uncontrolled airport with my head down, reading a book.

TC tells me I am a VERY BAD PERSON and I am doing it all wrong.  45 years
of accident-free aviation doesn't count for FUCKING ANYTHING in Canada.

Meanwhile, TC's darling in Ottawa just killed another pilot.  This time he was
of course flying to an uncontrolled airport, and evidence suggests he didn't see
the buck fifty he hit.  Of course, no charges will be laid, because he's TC's darling.

Barf.  A pilot with a lifetime of safe flying is driven out of the country by insane
bureaucrats, and another pilot that regularly kills people is loved by TC.

Re: DAMN. JUST DAMN

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2019 2:13 am
by Chuck Ellsworth
You don't need a written check list to drive a truck or a car so why should you need one to fly an airplane??

Re: DAMN. JUST DAMN

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2019 2:19 am
by Colonel
I don't need to read a book to take a shit, either.

Well, sometimes I do, but the book isn't titled "How To Take A Shit",
it's generally pretty orthogonal to the execution of defecation process.

Get any TC Inspector to explain "orthogonal".

Re: DAMN. JUST DAMN

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:00 pm
by Colonel
On something of a tangent, the following dogma was mentioned above:

[quote]Control
Power
Drag
Identify
Verify
Feather[/quote]

Presumably to deal with engine failure in twins.

Note that while the above is fine in cruise, when you have lots of energy
(ie altitude and airspeed), it will kill you if you try to use it during an engine
failure after takeoff, when you have little altitude or airspeed (no energy).

Everyone knows that this nonsense above that they teach, codified by TC,
is so inadequate that it will kill their students if they actually tried it in a
low-energy situation, so it is never practiced, and this doubly ensures that
the students will surely die if it every happens.

The above, while seeming to be a good state of affairs to every other instructor
and pilot in Canada, offended me.  So, I wrote this, which TC hates with a passion:

www.pittspecials.com/articles/MultiTakeoff.htm

Once more, with feeling:  Learn to prioritize, and if you want to fly an airplane,
put the book down.  You can read it in the hotel later.

There will be no new causes of aircraft accidents in 2019.

Re: DAMN. JUST DAMN

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:24 pm
by John Swallow
Question still not answered: a statement was made to the effect '...don't need no steenkin' checklist'. 


From your link:  (BTW; TC does not "hate it with a passion".  I don't even think they know about it.)

In Canada, we are supposed to teach multi-engine flying according to TP11575E, the Instructor Guide for the Multi-Engine Rating.  Here’s what it says to do if you have an engine failure after takeoff:  CONTROL    yaw, roll, airspeed  POWER        mixtures rich, propellers FULL increase, throttles FULL power  DRAG          check landing gear up, flaps up  IDENTIFY    failed engine  VERIFY        failed engine by reducing throttle of suspected failed engine  FEATHER    the propeller on the failed engine  SECURE      complete checklist when time and altitude permit  LAND          if an airport is not suitable, then proceed to the nearest suitable airport If you actually tried to do this at low altitude in a piston twin after an engine failure after takeoff, you would surely die.  In cruise or descent, there is time for this, but not immediately after takeoff. My reluctance to embrace death in a piston twin lead to the development of the Meatball Multi-Engine Takeoff for Piston Twins.  It’s not something to be proud of, and I don’t recommend you do it, but I thought you might find it interesting as to how I stay alive during a takeoff in a piston twin:  Fuel Tanks – selection/quantity  Fuel Boost Pumps – as required  Props – full forward  Mixtures – full rich  Engine Quadrant Friction Lock – secure  Flaps – up  Throttles up with brakes on - over clean pavement, 20-25 in MP  Release brakes, throttles full forward  Rotate, climb at Vyse (blue line on ASI)

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BTW, all those itemized things listed above...?


That's what we call a checklist.