DC-3 MISHAP
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Colonel
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The pilot attempted a soft-field takeoff with the tailwheel
planted during the takeoff run, which is extraordinary in
a large multi-engine taildragger.
He levitated into ground effect at an airspeed which was
much too slow and the result was a stall, first on one wing,
then the other.
A normal takeoff would be to raise the tail, accelerate to
a safe speed with the mains planted, and [i]then[/i] rotate.
I cringe to think what Chuck or LC or EricJ are going to
say about this bizarre takeoff attempt by a pilot that clearly
hated the airplane.
This is how a sane pilot takes off in a large taildragger -
skip forward to 2:30:
[youtube][/youtube]
TC [i]loves[/i] soft and short field takeoffs. They want the student
to practice them long before they have mastered a normal or
crosswind takeoff, for some demented reason. I remember a
few years back, the FTU at Rockcliffe actually listened to this
nonsense - hey, it's a government town, don't expect too much -
and the resulting pile of wrecked Cessnas was really impressive.
planted during the takeoff run, which is extraordinary in
a large multi-engine taildragger.
He levitated into ground effect at an airspeed which was
much too slow and the result was a stall, first on one wing,
then the other.
A normal takeoff would be to raise the tail, accelerate to
a safe speed with the mains planted, and [i]then[/i] rotate.
I cringe to think what Chuck or LC or EricJ are going to
say about this bizarre takeoff attempt by a pilot that clearly
hated the airplane.
This is how a sane pilot takes off in a large taildragger -
skip forward to 2:30:
[youtube][/youtube]
TC [i]loves[/i] soft and short field takeoffs. They want the student
to practice them long before they have mastered a normal or
crosswind takeoff, for some demented reason. I remember a
few years back, the FTU at Rockcliffe actually listened to this
nonsense - hey, it's a government town, don't expect too much -
and the resulting pile of wrecked Cessnas was really impressive.
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Chuck Ellsworth
[quote][font=Verdana]I cringe to think what Chuck or LC or EricJ are going to [/font][font=Verdana]say about this bizarre takeoff attempt by a pilot that clearlyhated the airplane.[/font][/quote][font=Verdana]
I am at a loss for words to describe that stunning lack of flying ability.
Maybe a homeless grandmother smoking crack cocaine stole the thing......[/font]
I am at a loss for words to describe that stunning lack of flying ability.
Maybe a homeless grandmother smoking crack cocaine stole the thing......[/font]
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CD
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In happier days...
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Slick Goodlin
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That accident is so bizarre I kind of wonder if some level of pilot incapacitation played a part.
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cgzro
Wouldn't any kind of three point take-off also put you below VMC and therefore be a no-no in a twin tail dragger?
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Chuck Ellsworth
[quote]Wouldn't any kind of three point take-off also put you below VMC and therefore be a no-no in a twin tail dragger?[/quote]
Not to mention at or the critical angle of attack.
I just can not figure out how they managed to do that because it takes a real determined pilot to keep the tail wheel pinned on the ground with the mains in the air.
Not to mention at or the critical angle of attack.
I just can not figure out how they managed to do that because it takes a real determined pilot to keep the tail wheel pinned on the ground with the mains in the air.
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Rookie Pilot
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[quote author=Chuck Ellsworth link=topic=8767.msg24094#msg24094 date=1532311723]
[quote]Wouldn't any kind of three point take-off also put you below VMC and therefore be a no-no in a twin tail dragger?[/quote]
Not to mention at or the critical angle of attack.
I just can not figure out how they managed to do that because it takes a real determined pilot to keep the tail wheel pinned on the ground with the mains in the air.
[/quote]
Hence maybe trim?
[quote]Wouldn't any kind of three point take-off also put you below VMC and therefore be a no-no in a twin tail dragger?[/quote]
Not to mention at or the critical angle of attack.
I just can not figure out how they managed to do that because it takes a real determined pilot to keep the tail wheel pinned on the ground with the mains in the air.
[/quote]
Hence maybe trim?