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TSB Releases report on Jim Prentice Crash

Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2018 4:33 pm
by ScudRunner-d95
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Heard the TSB person on the radio the other day and its a pretty daming indictment of Transports bungled take back of over site of business jet operators from the CBAA.


The highlights


Operator didn't have authorization to fly the Citation 500 Single Pilot (did the citation 500 every require 2 crew?)
Pilot didn't have sufficient night take offs and landings in the prior 6 months.


I overheard this and I have not had it substantiated but was the pilot not a career RCMP officer and this was his hobby in retirement??

Re: TSB Releases report on Jim Prentice Crash

Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2018 6:29 pm
by Colonel
Quite sincerely, I didn't think anyone cared any more about
pilot skill, and no one gave a shit about crashing or not.

I personally find this horrifying, but 21st century pilots tell
me they have much more important priorities than knowledge
and skill.  You know, [i]feelings[/i].  Cultural appropriation (don't
use that evil word "chief").  Gender sensitivities (don't use that
evil word "man").  Regulatory compliance.  Checklist usage.

Why are people surprised that pilots without knowledge and
skill crash?  That's a conscious choice they make, and choices
have consequences.

Re: TSB Releases report on Jim Prentice Crash

Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2018 9:19 pm
by Nark1
Went to a fly-in gathering today. 


Holy poop: when did the Cessna 172 require the same Vref speed as my Airbus?  When did that change? 


I saw a lot of piss poor energy management on short final than I care to admit.
Like the Col was saying: I bet everyone had a post landing checklist complete...

Re: TSB Releases report on Jim Prentice Crash

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 1:22 am
by Colonel
Cessna 172M POH (Fig 6.5) says that with "[b]average pilot technique[/b]"
a 172 can be landed in 520 feet of ground roll with no headwind
at sea level.

That's at max gross.  I'm not much of a stick, but I found at
lower weights I could consistently land a 172 in around 400 feet,
again with negligible headwind at sea level.

Recently doing pattern work in the S-2B (110 mph on base, 100
mph on final) I could land in half of the 2700 foot "little" runway
at my home airport, that the guys in Cessnas and Cherokees avoid -
they almost always insist on using the long (5200 foot) runway.

Keeping in mind that rollout is a function of the square of your
speed ... anyone that can't land a 172 in 500 feet should be
ashamed of themselves.

You know.  Instructors, CPL's.

Re: TSB Releases report on Jim Prentice Crash

Posted: Wed May 02, 2018 11:28 am
by Cdnpilot77
Does that include the 1500’ of floating 5’ off the ground after crossing the numbers?

Re: TSB Releases report on Jim Prentice Crash

Posted: Wed May 02, 2018 3:48 pm
by Chris
I fly off a 7000x200' runway with a midpoint taxiway that I have seen 172s float past. Any time we have a really good crosswind I'm tempted to try landing sideways. Think a 172M can be stopped in 200' with 15-20 kts wind?

Re: TSB Releases report on Jim Prentice Crash

Posted: Wed May 02, 2018 11:49 pm
by Colonel
Land diagonally and work your way to across.