Scudrunners

Hey - if the government permanently seizes all of your aircraft
logbooks and refuses to return them after many years, this means
that you are free to fly without having to log anything, right?

After all, if they asked you for the books, you could tell them
that they already had them.

Logging time can be done on any paper you do not really need log books.


So I log it on toilet paper --used of course-- and if they ask for it I am pleased to give it to them.

No you still are required to keep a logbook

So to be clear the feds seized your property and is refusing to return it?


I think you need to lawyer up, your damages are the resale value of the aircraft.


As you know an aircraft with incomplete logs if you where to sell would be for a large discount.

It would help us to understand why if there was an official explanation as has no doubt been written down on paper to the owner.


What does it say?

No explanation.  I presume that since they could have copied
the logbooks in a week or so, that after so many years of refusing
to return the logbooks, they do not intend to have the owner ever
have the logbooks back, and are absolving the owner from any
operational or maintenance requirements involving logging and
they are free to operate the aircraft without any maintenance
or air time logged.

I suppose you could ask Arlo and Rotten Ronnie if you want
to know their intent?  I guess because it's Canada, they can
do anything they want, and if the owner is asked for logbooks
by Enforcement, he can reply that they are conveniently already
in their lockup.  You know, with my laptop and phone that I had
stolen from me, and never returned.

Lawyer up

[quote author=ScudRunner link=topic=8182.msg22653#msg22653 date=1522603339]
Lawyer up
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Agreed - I'm not a legal expert but I can't see how this can be legal.

We're increasingly living in '1984'.

That's so sweet.  Legal is whatever the government says it is.

You may recall that TC tried to outlaw all aerobatics below
18,000 feet, and I ended up in Federal Court of Appeals
arguing the [b]in[/b]applicability of Double Jeopardy to Administrative
Law, with the DOJ arguing strenuously on behalf of TC that
they have the right to punish you over and over and over
and over again endlessly for the same offense, no matter
how many years or decades go by.

Oh Canada.

No matter how many millions of dollars you have to spend on
lawyers, the government always has more.

Canada is a Banana Republic.  If you don't believe me, look
at Hairdo Dolly's contravention of the ethics guidelines and
the criminal code, and his demented payoff of $20M to a
terrorist.  Legal is whatever the Kennedys, Clintons and
Trudeaus say it is.

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These people didn't get a lawyer, did they?

Maybe a dumb question but why not starting new logbooks?
(Assuming you knew the last entries of the previous ones)

[quote author=Kartoon link=topic=8182.msg22673#msg22673 date=1522669662]
Maybe a dumb question but why not starting new logbooks?
(Assuming you knew the last entries of the previous ones)
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I guess that’s the big takeaway here, if TC comes looking for your logs be sure to shoot a copy of the last couple pages so you can carry on in case you never see the originals again.