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Fishing for a greaser

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 2:22 pm
by Colonel


Skip the first minute, as usual.

I liked the honk from the stall warning before the
flare, but I was disappointed by the use of a lot of
power for a long time to cushion the landing in
ground effect.

I know he could get away with it, with the rise at
the end, as he trades off speed for height, but still.

Re: Fishing for a greaser

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:29 pm
by goldeneagle
[quote author=Colonel Sanders link=topic=8114.msg22471#msg22471 date=1521382969]
I liked the honk from the stall warning before the
flare, but I was disappointed by the use of a lot of
power for a long time to cushion the landing in

[/quote]

Grass is green, no leaves on the trees, so it's in the rainy season.  With the ramp up at the end, I'd be tempted to drag it into the slope too, the low end is quite likely also the soft end.  Do a little stopping of the video at 1:24, right under the plane are a couple spots that look wet on the low end just before the upslope gets going.  A couple of bare patches at the start of the upslope, wonder if most folks landing there are dragging it to the slope for exactly that reason, get past the soft area....

Re: Fishing for a greaser

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:48 pm
by Colonel
Good point.  Back when I flew on the east coast, I
could spot the wet/soft areas because they were
a darker green color - pretty obvious.  I don't spend
any time in the northwest, so I know zilch about
flying there.  The constant rain gets me down.  I
like living where it's sunny and warm 330+ days of
the year, because you can ride your motorcycle or
fly your biplane almost any day, which is nice.  The
downside is that I think I am living in the desert -
too much dust.

PS  Looked at the video again, I am confused - that
was a Costa Rica registration on the 182?!

Re: Fishing for a greaser

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:19 pm
by Trey Kule
That looked like a pretty nice landing to me. What was wrong with it?


As to the power, perhaps I have forgotten, but if the stall warning horn is going off and you have power on, taking it off is not a great idea. Maybe a little bit.  Should not float if you are far on the backside of the curve.


Maybe, I have just forgotten how to land short field.






Re: Fishing for a greaser

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:29 pm
by Colonel
Nothing succeeds like success, but I was observing that
he had a lot of power on for what seemed like a long time
in the flare, which increase the short field distance, which
is kind of the opposite of the the objective. 

He got away with it, of course, because of the uphill run
which converted his excess kinetic to potential, but not
all short fields have that convenient hill at the end.

I'm used to just using a burst of power to cushion the
landing on the back side of the power curve.  You're
landing on grass, so it's cushioned anyways, and as
soon as you enter ground effect spanwise flow is reduced
which helps as well.

No big deal, I just personally wouldn't have posted that
video as an example of "how to do it"  ;D

GE is probably correct that the lower part of the field
is soaked.  However, if that was the case that it was
unusable, I would have landed elsewhere.  I am a
chicken.

Odd that I didn't see his tires spraying water after touchdown -
that's pretty normal on a wet strip.

Re: Fishing for a greaser

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:00 am
by Eric Janson
[b]Disclaimer:- I don't fly anything this small and don't fly into airports like this.[/b]

Seems fine to me as well.

Looks like everything is nicely under control. The power stays on almost right to touchdown - given the low speed that seems like a smart option. It extends the landing by what - 100'? 200'?

Stopping certainly won't be an issue.

Rather than a one-size-fits-all approach a better option may be to modify technique as required. Of course you need to know what you're doing in the first place.

Certainly appears to be the case here.

Re: Fishing for a greaser

Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:39 pm
by JW Scud
Maybe he should have done a go-around.