Scudrunners

Not sure how many kids you have, but I've had a lot of them.

When they're young and stumbling around, they might be
attracted like a moth, to an incandescent light bulb.  They
might want to touch it.  In that situation, I used to say,

"Kid, don't touch the light bulb"

They naturally touch the light bulb anyways, and then cry
because their fingers got painfully hot.  I used to say,

"Kid, you just learned two valuable lessons.  One, listen
to what I say, and Two, don't touch hot things"

Pilots in Canada are stupider than a pre-schooler, because
they never learned that [b]hot things burn them painfully[/b].

That's why they think that a fire on board an aircraft is
[b]no big deal[/b].

Snowflakes are determined to NOT learn the lessons of
history, and to repeat them, and at the risk of casting
pearls at the swine:

1) World War One.  You don't care, but burning alive
without a parachute was not pleasant.

2) After WWII, Canada's objectively greatest fighter pilot
burned alive in a Norseman.  I know, you're a better stick
than he was.

3) Don Cameron, a friend of mine, had a bad day in
Cincinatti one day in a DC-9.  You probably never heard
about  that, but he was a really good pilot - probably
better than you - and he really got surprised.

4) 1998 was probably before you were born, but an MD-11
departing New York caught fire and 229 people died.  That's
obviously ancient history and not applicable any more.

Being in an airplane on fire is no problem for a Canadian Snowflake.

Jesus Fucking Christ.

did I miss a headline which prompted this?

Just the usual millenium morons on AvCan spouting
off dangerous nonsense - how a fire on a piston twin
is "no big deal".

Like this C310's fire.  No big deal:

https://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/0 ... avoidable/

[quote]reset the circuit breaker sometime either before or after taking it on a flight,
“re-energizing related components in the electrical system, which likely led to the in-flight fire,”
according to the N.T.S.B.

... the plane crashed into a neighborhood and erupted in flames

Both men were killed along with three people on the ground, two young children and a mother[/quote]

I mean really, if you're a millenium moron, does it matter
if you crash and burn and kill people on the ground?  I
guess not, as long as your FB is up to date.

[quote author=Colonel Sanders link=topic=7888.msg21833#msg21833 date=1517682974]

3) Don Cameron, a friend of mine, had a bad day in
Cincinatti one day in a DC-9.  You probably never heard
about  that, but he was a really good pilot - probably
better than you - and he really got surprised.

[/quote]

Is this the part that makes him better than us......

18.48:12
CAM
[Sound similar to arcing]

18.48:15
CAM
[Sound similar to arcing]

18.51:03
CAM
[Two sounds similar to arcing]

18.51:04
CAM-1
How is your sea food, nice?

CAM
[Sounds similar to arcing and snapping]

CAM-2
It's good

CAM-1
* steak nice?

18.51:09
CAM-2
Different, a little bit dry but okay

18.51:14
CAM
[Sounds similar to arcing and snapping]

CAM-2
(What was that?)

CAM-1
#
18.51:19

CAM-2
It's right here, I see it

CAM-1
Yeah

CAM-1
DC bus

CAM-2
Which one is that?

CAM-1
DC bus the, ah, left toilet, left toilet flushing
18.51:27

CAM-1
(I) better try it again, eh, push 'em in

CAM-2
Push it in one more time, I guess

18.51:41
CAM
[Sound of arcing]

CAM-2
What!
18.51:42
CAM
[Sound of arcing and snap]

CAM-1
That's it
18.51:43
CAM
[Sound of arcing and snap]

CAM-1
Won't take it

CAM-2
No

CAM-1
See anything else?

CAM-1
(There's nothing) on the panel

CAM-1
Ha
18.52:08
CAM-1
Like a machine gun

CAM-2
Yeah, zap, zap, zap



Don't push in CB's, especially when all three phases of a motor are popping. There is usually a reason for them popping and it ain't a good reason.

[quote]Don't push in CB's[/quote]

That's not what our elders and betters at TC told us,
back then.  TC told us (and it was industry practice,
your CP would tell you) to [i]reset breakers in flight[/i]
because (are you an electrical engineer?) circuit breakers
lose current-carrying capability as they age and over
time develop a habit of popping incorrectly.  So, back
then, [b]everyone reset them[/b].

See, this is the problem with revisionism.  Don was
probably guilty of cultural appropriation, too.  But
that wasn't post-modernist doctrine back then, either.

35 years ago, many of Canada's pilots were getting
their nutrition through the nipple of a bottle.  Some
weren't even born yet.  Maybe that includes you.

While the revisionist application of smug 20/20 hindsight
may make you feel superior, feeding your ego generally
doesn't improve your brain.  I only instructed for a quarter
of a century so what the fuck would I know, but in fact
the exact opposite is true.

I personally knew Don for many years, and I wouldn't
trade him for 100 whiny right seat snowflakes that think
the guy in the left seat is hurting their feelings, and that
being on fire is no big problem.

[quote author=Colonel Sanders link=topic=7888.msg21843#msg21843 date=1517751325]
[quote]Don't push in CB's[/quote]

That's not what our elders and betters at TC told us,
back then.  TC told us (and it was industry practice,
your CP would tell you) to reset breakers in flight
because (are you an electrical engineer?) circuit breakers
lose current-carrying capability as they age and over
time develop a habit of popping incorrectly.  So, back
then, everyone reset them.
[/quote]


Perhaps TC was telling people to reset them as you say. Was this a verbal thing or is there any written evidence to support what you say such as bulletins, AIP, etc. It would be interesting to see that.

Keep in mind that the popping may have been caused by a fire already in progress according to the report. While my electrical knowledge is not the strongest, three CB's being equally worn out and popping at the same time does seem unlikely.[size=1em] [font=verdana]A quick glance at the report does not show any discussion of CB resetting policy back then. Of course the smart guys, ie electrical engineers like you probably knew better(and I truly believe that when I make that statement) and wouldn't push in three phases popping at once while most of us might be unsure what a phase actually means anyways.[/font][/size]

As you no doubt have stated, you have to go above and beyond the basic training to try to learn the multitude of stuff that is not taught to you in basic flight training as well as the incorrect information that is sometimes given to you, whether by TC (as you have mentioned prefviously from your personal experience) or instructors or other pilots. Something that is much easier to do in the age of the internet.

More info is published here on the accident,
[font=verdana][url=http://lessonslearned.faa.gov/ll_main.c ... LLTypeID=0]http://lessonslearned.faa.gov/ll_main.c ... LLTypeID=0[/url][/font]

No need to shit on TC...  They weren't the only ones. 


Over the years, the sequence went from pushing popped CBs in a few times, to pushing it in once, to the new mantra:  if it pops, you leave it alone.


F'rinstance, the prodedure to deal with a popped CB switch on the CF-5 was to try one reset.  If it wouldn't reset, leave it alone. (Actually didn't matter: if there was a real fault, the reset switch was electronicall disabled, so you could try resetting all day and nothing would happen...) 

Remember the procedure for dealing with an unsafe gear indication during an UP selection?

Times change...

[quote]Times change[/quote]

Exactly!  Revisionism is misleading and useless.

Jesus, I know guys who would [i]hold circuit breakers in[/i].
The cure for them is to collar it with a small zip tie.

One more thing,

A bit of a contradiction.

[quote author=Colonel Sanders link=topic=7888.msg21833#msg21833 date=1517682974]

Pilots in Canada are stupider than a pre-schooler, because
they never learned that [b]hot things burn them painfully[/b].

That's why they think that a fire on board an aircraft is
[b]no big deal[/b].

[/quote]

From the report findings,

"Because of the delayed decision to descend, the airplane lost the opportunity for landing at Louisville. Had the airplane been landed at Louisville, it could have been on the ground three to five minutes earlier than at the landing time in Cincinnati. The delayed decision to descend and land contributed to the severity of the accident."

If a fire is a big deal as you say, you may not want to delay the descent while looking into it further.

I saw an interview with Don Cameron on the 20 th anniversary of the accident,
even after so many years had passed he looked devastated still
What a tragedy