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Friends Selling his 1979 Piper Turbo Arrow

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:46 pm
by ScudRunner-d95

Re: Friends Selling his 1979 Piper Turbo Arrow

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:37 pm
by Colonel
You had me at 1979.  Because of the font size, I didn't initially see
the following "Piper Turbo Arrow" and my brain filled in "Pontiac Trans Am".

I went to my happy place, where Trans Am's have no rust and no
damage history:

[img width=500 height=375]https://ccpublic.blob.core.windows.net/ ... -std-c.jpg[/img]

In my happy place, all 1979 Trans Ams have the 400, four speed and
four wheel disc brakes.

In heaven, Herb Adams tunes your SD455.  He got fired by GM management
for making it, you know.

[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac_Firebird#1973]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac_Firebird#1973[/url]

2nd Gen F-body, baby!  1980 was a great year for me:

[img width=500 height=218][/img]

When you see the black Trans Am, you can't help but hear
this song in your head:

[youtube][/youtube]

A shaker hood scoop and a screaming chicken.  The world
is your oyster:

[img width=500 height=333]https://i.pinimg.com/originals/39/4e/27 ... b803d9.jpg[/img]

Re: Friends Selling his 1979 Piper Turbo Arrow

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:45 pm
by Slick Goodlin
Sooo... when are you getting your Trans Am?  At a glance, most of the prices don't seem insane:
https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/?m ... r_max=1982

Re: Friends Selling his 1979 Piper Turbo Arrow

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:06 pm
by Colonel
Actually I need to pick up another car.  Looking at used,
California only (no rust, no flood).  I'd like pre-1976 so
no smog test, but that's a bit of a pipe dream.

I should get Frieburger and Finnegan to pick one out
for me.

SD-455 would be nice, too:

[quote]In 1973 and 1974, a special version of the 455, called the Super Duty 455 (SD-455), was offered. The SD-455 consisted of a strengthened cylinder block that included [b]four-bolt main bearings[/b] and added material in various locations for improved strength. Original plans called for a [b]forged crankshaft[/b], although actual production SD455s received nodular iron crankshafts with minor enhancements. [b]Forged rods and forged aluminum pistons[/b] were specified, as were [b]unique high-flow cylinder heads[/b].

A production line stock SD455 produced 253 rear wheel HP on a chassis dyno, as reported by High Performance Pontiac magazine (January, 2007). This is also consistent with the 290 SAE net horsepower factory rating (as measured at the crankshaft). Skip McCully verified that no production SD455s released to the public were fitted with the 480737 cam. When asked about the compromises for the production SD455 engine, McCully responded, "Compression, camshaft, jetting, and vacuum advance." He followed by stating that he would have preferred a compression ratio of 10.25:1, a camshaft with 041 valve timing, slightly richer carburetor jetting, and as much vacuum advance as the engine would tolerate. However, that proved to be impossible due to the emissions regulations of the era.[14]

The 480737 code cam (identical grind to the RAIV "041" cam) was originally specified for the SD455 engine and was fitted into the "pre-production" test cars (source: former Pontiac special projects engineer McCully), one of which was tested by both Hot Rod and Car and Driver magazines. However, actual production cars were fitted with the milder 493323 cam and 1.5:1 rocker ratios, due to the ever-tightening emissions standards of the era. This cam and rocker combination, combined with a low compression ratio of 8.4:1 advertised (7.9:1 actual) yielded 290 SAE net horsepower. Production SD455 cars did not have functional hood scoops, while the "pre-production" test cars did.

Pontiac offered the 455 through the 1976 model year, but the engine could not meet tightening restrictions on vehicle emissions. A total of 7,100 were produced with the 455 engine.[/quote]



Re: Friends Selling his 1979 Piper Turbo Arrow

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:00 pm
by ScudRunner-d95
Never been a big fan of the fire chicken, just a little too "mullet type" for me I guess

Re: Friends Selling his 1979 Piper Turbo Arrow

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:07 pm
by Rookie Pilot
[quote author=Colonel Sanders link=topic=7784.msg21619#msg21619 date=1515944273]
You had me at 1979.  Because of the font size, I didn't initially see
the following "Piper Turbo Arrow" and my brain filled in "Pontiac Trans Am".

I went to my happy place, where Trans Am's have no rust and no
damage history:

[img width=500 height=375]https://ccpublic.blob.core.windows.net/ ... -std-c.jpg[/img]

In my happy place, all 1979 Trans Ams have the 400, four speed and
four wheel disc brakes.

In heaven, Herb Adams tunes your SD455.  He got fired by GM management
for making it, you know.

[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac_Firebird#1973]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac_Firebird#1973[/url]

2nd Gen F-body, baby!  1980 was a great year for me:

[img width=500 height=218][/img]

When you see the black Trans Am, you can't help but hear
this song in your head:

[youtube][/youtube]

A shaker hood scoop and a screaming chicken.  The world
is your oyster:

[img width=500 height=333]https://i.pinimg.com/originals/39/4e/27 ... b803d9.jpg[/img]
[/quote]


My Honda van would kick the ass of these cars.






Re: Friends Selling his 1979 Piper Turbo Arrow

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:28 am
by Slick Goodlin
[quote author=Rookie Pilot link=topic=7784.msg21627#msg21627 date=1515971264]
My Honda van would kick the ass of these cars.[/quote]
Probably would.  There was once an episode of some car show on TV where they sent a Dodge Charger Daytona (the one with the pointy nose and big wing) out on a timed lap of an auto cross course then did the same course in some kind of current Japanese mini van carrying seven strippers and a fat guy.  The van beat the daylights out of the Charger's best time but there was no drama to it and really no joy.


The ragged edge is where the fun lives.

Re: Friends Selling his 1979 Piper Turbo Arrow

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:40 pm
by Rookie Pilot
[quote author=Slick Goodlin link=topic=7784.msg21631#msg21631 date=1515990488]
[quote author=Rookie Pilot link=topic=7784.msg21627#msg21627 date=1515971264]
My Honda van would kick the ass of these cars.[/quote]
Probably would.  There was once an episode of some car show on TV where they sent a Dodge Charger Daytona (the one with the pointy nose and big wing) out on a timed lap of an auto cross course then did the same course in some kind of current Japanese mini van carrying seven strippers and a fat guy.  The van beat the daylights out of the Charger's best time but there was no drama to it and really no joy.


The ragged edge is where the fun lives.
[/quote]




Both all those cars (I would guess)  and my van are rather unhappy above 140 clicks or so. My 3 series runs like a train well above that, I can attest. Limits of the 70's. A Daytona looks and sounds awesome though.




Re: Friends Selling his 1979 Piper Turbo Arrow

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:40 pm
by Chris
[quote author=Slick Goodlin link=topic=7784.msg21631#msg21631 date=1515990488]

The ragged edge is where the fun lives.
[/quote]


I think that was James May's argument about why you should buy a shitty eco-box with pizza cutter tires rather than a sports car. You can drive at the car's limit every day on the way to work.

Re: Friends Selling his 1979 Piper Turbo Arrow

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:51 pm
by Slick Goodlin
[quote author=Chris link=topic=7784.msg21635#msg21635 date=1516027254]
I think that was James May's argument about why you should buy a shitty eco-box with pizza cutter tires rather than a sports car. You can drive at the car's limit every day on the way to work.
[/quote]
Me and my shitty eco-box can confirm, though it's hard to call it shitty with a straight face when eco=cheap and box=useful.