Scudrunners

i understand that the minimum wages in Ontario are going to $14.00 an hour...because people need to make a living wage.


And that is $14 an hour for being at work.  It is the employer’s responsability to make certain a worker can be productive. 


Well, employers that exclude flight schools.  Flight schools do not seem to consider it their responsability to make certain instructors are able to be productive.  And they seem to feel an instructors time, unless they are actually billing, is worth nothing.  Overtime?  Laughable.


And no one can seem to see that there is going to be a huge instructor shortage.


Other, non Canadian jurisdictions seem to be able to pay instructors for scheduled duty time at more than minimum wage, and make a go of it.


How about in 2018 , base pay for an instructor in Ontario starts at $25 an hour for hours at work, ( class 3  as base)and the FTUs get off their butts and take responsability for keeping the instructors busy.  Maybe that “ average” time for a ppl can be reduced by having professional instructors rather than the revolving door that is now,and the cost to a student can actually go down.


$95 an hour for a car mechanic,  but FTUs are afraid to charge anywhere near there....

joys of working under federal labour laws!!

When I instructed (over ten years ago) I think it was for something like $26 per billable hour.  It was a pretty quiet school and I later worked out my earnings to be something like three and a half bucks for every hour spent at the airport.

The sad fact is that flight instruction has always been
an intern position, and the instructor is compensated
partly by the hourly pay, but mostly by the hours in
his logbook which he needs to move up to the next
rung on the ladder.

It would be a wonderful world where flight instructors
would be required to have enough hours, that the
additional SEL PIC would be of no value to them. 

This might actually improve the quality of instruction
because of the additional aviation knowledge of the
experienced instructor, as well as his improved teaching
skills, but don't expect it to happen any time soon.

Around here an experienced instructor is paid USD$100
per hour, and no one complains.

PS  Don't mean to be a downer.  I had a lot of fun flight
instructing, over the years.  Despite the fact that TC doesn't
count it as being worth anything, I spent a lot of time giving
advanced flight instruction - tailwheel, aerobatic, new instructors,
instrument, multi, warbird, jet, weird type checkouts, etc.

Now that my class 1 instructor rating has expired - not
that TC would ever renew it - I can start to mention the
fun I had.

One thing I liked doing was sitting in the back of a twin,
logging multi PIC, with two student pilots up front flying,
both of them logging dual.  To the best of my knowledge,
no animals were harmed, and no regulations were
contravened  ;D

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PS  Don't mean to be a downer.  I had a lot of fun flight instructing, over the years.
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I miss instructing too and very much regret letting my Class 2 lapse.  I never did get my Class 1, never saw the appeal since I was more interested in making pilots than in making instructors.  At this point it's more trouble to get back than it's worth.


[quote author=Colonel Sanders link=topic=7712.msg21452#msg21452 date=1514833437][font=Verdana]Despite the fact that TC doesn't count it as being worth anything[/font][/quote][font=Verdana]
It used to be the 703s counted instructing time as zero and that certainly guided my post-instructing job search (lotta folks with turbine twins called me a 200hr ATPL), but I've never seen TC take issue with instructing experience.[/font]

It's [i]advanced[/i] flight instruction that TC oddly considers
worthless.  It doesn't count when you want to upgrade or
renew your flight instructor rating, for example.

If you're not teaching PPL/CPL you're not doing "real"
instruction, according to TC.  Other flight instruction
such as tailwheel, aerobatic, float, multi etc is worthless.

Really?  By letter of the law I could see an argument about how tailwheel wouldn't count (though we both know the effort that really goes in there) but I'm surprised they don't care about instruction required for the issuance of a rating.

If TC requires X hours of dual time in order to obtain a rating, why wouldn’t the instructor who gives that dual be credited with the hours?

The instructor can log PIC (whoopie!  more SEL PIC!!)
but those dual given hours don't count as flight instruction
for upgrade or renewal purposes, according to TC.

For example:

[quote]421.66 Renewal of Flight Instructor Rating

(c) in the previous 24 months, has acquired at least 300 hours of flight instructor experience and had, in this period, at least 80% of candidates recommended for the applicable flight tests pass on the first attempt.

The renewal shall be based on no fewer than 5 flight tests.[/quote]

If you've given dual towards something that has no
flight test (eg night rating, tailwheel, aerobatic, type
rating, etc) then those dual hours don't count.

In the last 24 months, you might have taught 20 people
to land a Pitts, and 30 people to fly an L39, but that's
not "real" flight instruction and doesn't count, so you're
not a "real" flight instructor.

It's dangerous and difficult, but the paperpushers don't care.