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4 hurt in plane crash near Brampton-Caledon Airport
The small plane crashed into the roadway on King St., west of Hwy. 10 in Caledon.

According to the OPP, "a four-seater Cessna was attempting to land at the Brampton Flight Centre when the plane struck a tree and crashed on McLaughlin Rd." on Monday.

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According to the OPP, "

a four-seater Cessna was attempting to land at the Brampton Flight Centre when the plane struck a tree and crashed on McLaughlin Rd." on Monday.

Staff Reporter

Mon., Nov. 27, 2017



Four people were hurt after a small plane crashed on a roadway near the Brampton-Caledon Airport on Monday evening, Peel paramedics said.[/size][/font]
“Preliminary investigation reveals that a four-seater Cessna was attempting to land at the Brampton Flight Centre when the plane struck a tree and crashed on McLaughlin Rd.,” said OPP Const. Tamara Schubert in a news release Monday.

The crash happened at about 5:20 p.m. in Caledon on McLaughlin Rd., between Old School Rd. and King St. One person had serious but non-life threatening injuries, while the other three were taken to hospital.

A photo posted to Twitter by Peel paramedics shows the front end of a small white plane with blue and red accents smashed into the pavement, its wheels on the ground and tail high in the air. The plane, which is white with blue and red decals and emblazoned with the URL for the Brampton Flight Centre, is roped off by yellow tape.[/size][/font]

The Brampton Flight Centre, which runs pilot training programs, is based at the Brampton-Caledon Airport. Both are run by the Brampton Flying Club, a private organization owned by its members.
The airport doesn’t have air traffic control, says its website. There’s no indication that was a factor in the incident.
The Transportation Safety Board of Canada is investigating the crash, said the OPP.


On Aug. 9, a plane went down in a field in the same area, injuring one man and damaging a power line. Power was out in the area for several hours. A similar incident on May 21, 2016 sent the male pilot to hospital with non-life threatening injuries.

Back on Aug. 4, 2006, three were killed in a mid-air crash in Caledon between a plane from the Brampton Flying Club and a pilot from Burlington.


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[quote]the plane struck a tree[/quote]

I hate it when those trees suddenly jump up in front of you,
and you try to take evasive action, but they out-maneuver
you like a Penguins defenceman trying to stop you from
getting to the runway.

It's important to realize that some accidents are unavoidable
and are no one's fault.

Like that seawall at SFO that suddenly appeared out of
nowhere - I think Scotty must have beamed it down at
that very instant - and jumped up in front of Asiana 218.
That seems plausible.

Yeah, those trees and seawalls can be pretty wily.

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Sometimes you don't want to succeed though...it might have unintended consequences...

There is a very old saying that the worst thing
that can happen to a person, is that their dreams
come true.

Decorum prevents me from posting any related
photos. 

Ok, maybe [i]one[/i]:

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[quote]local police fined them some $68 each for committing [i]minor hooliganism[/i][/quote]

I read at AvCanada there are two kinds of pilots. Those that have hit a tree and those that have not hit a tree yet. I've been lucky so far.

Trees and weeds fear me.

Well ok .. I took a look at that situation there a little close up.  This here Cessna appears to be coming in quicker and shallower with [b]no flap[/b] / fully occupied (photo/news); in some circumstances, perhaps here too, [i]might just not get it slowed down without sinking through branches of a tree located in the wrong place at the right time.[/i]

In one flight training magazine article's point-of-view, picked up chapters a while back, reminded of the steeper angles of descent with some flap allows richer rpms of power to be available in the event of needing it in a pinch (as may be the case here too ... we'll see). With 1500-1600rpms already going when coming in flat with zero degrees flap there isn't much you can respond-with powerwise to powerup when caught behind the eightball needing it but can't have it [i]quick enough[/i]. As the article pointed out there ... then only 800-900 rpm extra available, which is not much when [i]gets slow [/i]and also [b]too slow[/b] to accel because flat, and has insignificant nose-down alt-power to add.  See .. when at 1000rpm flight idle with 20degrees on ... it has the1500 extra rpms available to boot-in as needed [i]in addition to the power of the steeper descent angle[/i].

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Well ok .. I took a look at that situation there a little close up.  This here Cessna appears to be coming in quicker and shallower with [b]no flap[/b] / fully occupied (photo/news); in some circumstances, perhaps here too, [i]might just not get it slowed down without sinking through branches of a tree located in the wrong place at the right time.[/i]

In one flight training magazine article's point-of-view, picked up chapters a while back, reminded of the steeper angles of descent with some flap allows richer rpms of power to be available in the event of needing it in a pinch (as may be the case here too ... we'll see). With 1500-1600rpms already going when coming in flat with zero degrees flap there isn't much you can respond-with powerwise to powerup when caught behind the eightball needing it but can't have it [i]quick enough[/i]. As the article pointed out there ... then only 800-900 rpm extra available, which is not much when [i]gets slow [/i]and also [b]too slow[/b] to accel because flat, and has insignificant nose-down alt-power to add.  See .. when at 1000rpm flight idle with 20degrees on ... it has the1500 extra rpms available to boot-in as needed [i]in addition to the power of the steeper descent angle[/i].
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PDW, you've outdone yourself!  BRAVO!

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Well ok .. I took a look at that situation there a little close up.  This here Cessna appears to be coming in quicker and shallower with [b]no flap[/b] / fully occupied (photo/news); in some circumstances, perhaps here too, [i]might just not get it slowed down without sinking through branches of a tree located in the wrong place at the right time.[/i]

In one flight training magazine article's point-of-view, picked up chapters a while back, reminded of the steeper angles of descent with some flap allows richer rpms of power to be available in the event of needing it in a pinch (as may be the case here too ... we'll see). With 1500-1600rpms already going when coming in flat with zero degrees flap there isn't much you can respond-with powerwise to powerup when caught behind the eightball needing it but can't have it [i]quick enough[/i]. As the article pointed out there ... then only 800-900 rpm extra available, which is not much when [i]gets slow [/i]and also [b]too slow[/b] to accel because flat, and has insignificant nose-down alt-power to add.  See .. when at 1000rpm flight idle with 20degrees on ... it has the1500 extra rpms available to boot-in as needed [i]in addition to the power of the steeper descent angle[/i].
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Look at the photo.  Flaps are down, although not much, maybe 10 degrees.


Also WTF did I just read?

[quote]Flaps are down, although not much, maybe 10 degrees.[/quote]


The good wing looks like no angle there ..


Photo shows a 172 on pavement in the middle of a road ... but not how far the slide was .. except maybe for the nosewheel assembly laying there.


re: What you read there ... the main thing is that [i]heavy and flat[/i] requires a lot of power [i]if you get slow ...[/i]and that power is only available if you've planned for it. I agree with the opinion of that article ... and I'll try and find it in order to clarify the point of view. In the meantime we can wait and see what the TSB report will eventually reveal about this accident, where at least one injury was said to be very serious out of the four hurt.