Trump Victory

[Scudrunner]

Pretty sure I warned this scudrunner guy to stop posting political garbage. This is why we can’t have nice things.

That guys a dick he's always shit posting on Instagram and reddit.

[Rosco P Coltrane]

Indeed. I guess he has a nice hat.

[Colonel]

undocumented workers (yourself included)

Hold on Hold on Hold on.

I came here in 2015 on a TN visa, and then applied for an H-1B visa, then got a green card, then got my American citizenship.

Eight years of legal work, and around $100,000 in legal fees. I did it straight up. I obeyed the laws, unlike the Marxists.

And that's all we're asking for. Obey the laws. If you have contempt for us and our laws, go someplace else that aligns
with your political beliefs like North Korea or Venezuela or Cuba. I'm sure Cuba will give you a warm welcome, considering
who your PM is.



NB perhaps you are referring to my previous employment as an engineer in NY in the 1980's. I also obtained an H-1B for that,
and I was amused to see that I got credits from that era for my Social Security (you need 40). I paid into the Canadian government
pension plan for 30+ years and I am sure I will never see a dime from those fucks. Eight years now, and they won't even give me
back my laptop and phone they seized in 2016.

[Squaretail]

Squaretail,

I don’t mean to pile it on,

I don't mind, I'm grown up and can speak in the spirit of discussion.

Illegal immigrants are a net fiscal drain, meaning they receive more in government services than
they pay in taxes. This result is not due to laziness or fraud. Illegal immigrants actually have
high rates of work, and they do pay some taxes, including income and payroll taxes. The
fundamental reason that illegal immigrants are a net drain is that they have a low average
education level, which results in low average earnings and tax payments. It also means a large
share qualify for welfare programs, often receiving benefits on behalf of their U.S.-born
children. Like their less-educated and low-income U.S.-born counterparts, the tax payments of
illegal immigrants do not come close to covering the cost they create.

Well if their children are US citizens, then obviously they shouldnt factor in that number. Unless you also consider them not really citizens either. The fact of the matter is if you're not a citizen, you cant receive any government benefits, and probably more importantly companies can hire you cheaper, and provide less protection in the workplace.

It’s not anecdotal that you bring in thousands/millions of revenue. It’s that the government pays out billions in welfare and other social benefits to the families of illegals.
It’s really hard to nail down exactly per capita expense of illegals, because they are hard to track in total numbers.

If the government money ends up supporting illegals, consider that the real beneficiaries here are the companies that hire them (much cheaper and disposable than Americans) and ultimately the consumer where prices are kept lower. The latter how your average American benefits from these workers. For example, if you bought any sort of meat produce in your last bag of groceries it had a good chance of in someway being produced by migrant workers.

Then, add in government representation. Our congress (House of Rep’s) district is based upon population, not citizens. It’s comes from census data, where they’re not allowed to ask about citizenship status. In theory you can have an entire district full of non-citizens having a representative in Congress. How is that not insane?

That is insane. But it doesnt mean that the illegals are represented since they dont get to vote. Its the same insanity where your states each get two senators regardless of population. It means that some votes get more representation. Nothing new in a representative democracy.

Before you get hot and bothered, I think a lot of us who vote republican are conservative’s and libertarians. My sister, (born, raised and lives in Canada, but works for an American airline) doesn’t know the difference between Republicans and conservatives. She’s not alone in that regard.

Hot and bothered? Please. Voting Republican because you're conservative? Sure i get that. If you're really a libertarian? Then you should really pay more attention. The republicans have some strange ideas about how they want to keep track of the population, and are all about government overreach when it comes to their more melding of church/state issues. We got rid of prayers in classrooms long ago, it doesnt need to come back.

[Squaretail]

undocumented workers (yourself included)

Hold on Hold on Hold on.

I was referring to the fact that you probably bought some meat or a head of lettuce for a reaaonable price since you have been living in the US (Or Canada for that matter) As i recall, illegals make up a substantial part of the agriculture industry, and meat packing plants are some chief offenders. But you're a smart guy, you already knew that.

At the end of the day, while I agree that illegals should come lawfully, I also dont think they should be demonized as a group. I think there are better ways than some proposals of the next administration has, which should adress immigration issues and also consider the labour needs of the nation (much like Canada should too where perhaps labour needs are just as acute). The promise to round them up and deport them by the thousands seems expensive, ripe for abuse and mistakes and purely designed to strike fear into those affected.

And don't tell me to "go somewhere else" while telling me you hated America the last 4 years. I didnt see you having to sell your planes because the economy hit you hard or move to Texas because the libs were so bad.

[Squaretail]

Pretty sure I warned this scudrunner guy to stop posting political garbage. This is why we can’t have nice things.

Sorry man, probably wouldnt have participated, but i thought the site needed some action. And someone has to be the resident libtard.