Scudrunners

I'm not saying the instructor should be liable for every single thing the student does wrong. But for when they go solo they are, and after hearing that student I can't imagine they were ready to solo.

FAA form 709 (used to be 409) on the instructor.

The other possibility - which people don't like to consider - is that
student had 200 hours of dual before they did that solo flight.

Colonel wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:49 am

FAA form 709 (used to be 409) on the instructor.

The other possibility - which people don't like to consider - is that
student had 200 hours of dual before they did that solo flight.

That student? In that link? Had 200 hours?

possibility

We have all had students that simply had no aptitude for
operating any motorized equipment, be it a weed-eater
or an airplane.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Figure out what you're not good at, and don't do that.

Figure out what you're good at, and do that.

Life is a lot more enjoyable, and easier that way.

Ah, I see.

All I was trying to say is based off of how that person sounded on the radio I was surprised to see how they would be released for solo. But that is just a snapshot, maybe overall they did perform better?

One of the issues some students have is horrible inconsistency. Usually stems from an irregular training schedule or a chaotic personal life. Or both. Really hard to send them solo.

Ok, your conversation convinced me to listen. That was spectacular! I wish there was video. I’d love to see the landings.

The Dread Pilot Roberts wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 30, 2021 6:52 pm

Wow the patience’s of the tower guy with this student.

In my experience ground and tower controllers don’t give a crap if you’re set up to kill yourself. Must be in their rules or something.

In the US, per the FAR’s there can be 2 (or so) PIC’s. The person appropriately rate in class and category can log PIC “while solely manipulating” the controls.

The scenario is a flight instructor (PIC) is teaching a student (PPL or higher). The student does everything from start-up to shutdown. Both can legally log PIC.

I’d have to dig deeper, but I don’t think a CFI can be sit in the backseat and log PIC while 2 students are flying.

If memory serves its under part 61.51(e)

Here’s a good run down:
https://www.ocsling.com/marc-s-blog/whe ... g-pic-time


As far as an FAA safety inspector throwing the book at a CFI who is simply a passenger; I’m sure it’s been tried (as above) but by their own regulation, PIC is the final authority. I have no issues with the FAA milling about when I’m flying. I fly with them often as a checkairmen doing check-rides for new captains.

Rarely do they they from the hip, but have a pretty solid base before they act, ie start enforcement. Look at any of the half million YouTube aviation stars. They all seem to get calls from the FSDO, which result in no action, just inquiries.

Never understood that you can log PIC without being the PIC,
but I had difficulty with toilet training, and had to wear sneakers
with velcro to school. Couldn't understand why my yellow school bus
wasn't as long as the other kid's.

In Canada, I would sit in the back of a twin, and have two students at
the controls, both logging dual. I was (the only) PIC, and I don't know
of any regulations that I contravened in Canada when I did that. I mean,
they each had an engine on their side to fuss over, just like in a single.

If TC wants to throw the book at me for that now, fine.