Another day in Asia 2018 edition

[Eric Janson]

Our friends from Lionair are at it again.
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http://avherald.com/h?article=4b7f2016&opt=0[/url]

They specialize in runway over-runs including 2 at the same airport in less than 24 hours!

This is the same company that flew a 737 into the ocean and the only reason they survived is that they ended up on a reef.

Their safety record looks like something out of a bad movie - amazingly no fatal accidents.

Obviously they have powerful friends that prevent their OC being pulled.

First reports look they ended up 400m past the end of a 2500m runway. It will be some combination of high/fast/long landing.

in this culture a go-around is considered a loss of 'face'.

Looks like they need to make all runways in Indonesia 4000m long.

[Colonel]

[quote]high/fast/long landing ... a go-around is considered a loss of 'face'[/quote]

Jesus.  And wrecking the airplane instead, is ok?

[Eric Janson]

[quote author=Colonel Sanders link=topic=8361.msg23118#msg23118 date=1525049382]
[quote]high/fast/long landing ... a go-around is considered a loss of 'face'[/quote]

Jesus.  And wrecking the airplane instead, is ok?
[/quote]

Update - pictures show the aircraft off the side of the runway at about the halfway point.

@Colonel Sanders - you are dealing with thousands of years of culture - a few CRM courses and a type rating won't change that.

There's another issue in these cultures with not being allowed to question your superior - as this causes them to lose 'face'. This has featured in several accidents where the FO just sat there watching it all happen.
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https://www.pprune.org/pacific-general- ... 007-a.html[/url]

[Colonel]

[quote]culture ... won't change[/quote]

Who gives a fuck about safety? It's a lower priority than everything else.

I learned in my lifetime of flying that tough decisions - saying NO - were
a crucial part of survival as a pilot.  You've got to be willing to [i]hurt feelings[/i]
in the cockpit, or you're going to die, sooner or later, when your luck runs out.

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Another 21st century pilot  ::)

[Chuck Ellsworth]

[quote][font=Verdana]I learned in my lifetime of flying that tough decisions - saying NO - were a crucial part of survival as a pilot.[/font][/quote][font=Verdana]


As I have said  in my posts.


" The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no. "[/font]