Snowbird crash May 17, 2020

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John Swallow
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"I understand there is considerable risk when a passenger is carried in an antique single-engine turbine aircraft operated by a civilian, but this is not the case when it is operated by the military."

NOW I understand the large pebble that's in your craw!

FWIW, I don't think there's any risk carrying a passenger in an antique single-engine turbine aircraft operated by a civilian. (On a case-by-case basis, mind you. There are probably some pilots who shouldn't even be carrying themselves. But, by and large, with the proper training and a properly maintained aircraft, the risk would about that of a more 'modern' aircraft.)

In which aircraft did you want to carry a passenger and what regulation did they cite to thwart you?

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It started about 20 years ago at Gatineau. Peter and I were co-CD of a contest.

Rob Holland was just getting started at flying aerobatics and asked me for some
dual flight instruction of low-altitude aerobatics. He had never done it before,
and wanted to learn from someone who did it all the time.

Arlo Speer got wind of that, and told me that I couldn't do that. I had an SFOC
which allowed me to fly acro below 2000, I had an ATPL, I had an SAC and I had
a class 1 instructor rating and a class 1 aerobatic instructor rating. The SFOC
said "no pax" and Arlo said that Rob Holland - who held an FAA ATP at that point -
was in his opinion a pax and I could not teach anyone how to safely fly aerobatics
at low altitude.

According to Arlo Speer - he's God at TC, a so-called "Double Chief" of policy in
Tower C - a licensed pilot with an ATP receiving dual flight instruction is a passenger.

No one should be taught how to safely fly aerobatics at low altitude, Arlo said. Despite
Arlo's attempt to decrease the level of safety in aviation, Rob persevered and is now
a better pilot than any TC Inspector. Watch him fly, sometime.

It went downhill a long way from that, over the years. Arlo revoked my SFOC and
required me to get remedial training from a guy in BC that likes Arlo as much as I do.

They went fucking bananas when I started flying L39's.



I started issuing type ratings on L39's and L29's and they went fucking ballistic. Then
I left Canada for good. It got too hot. I couldn't even teach CPL and flight instructor
ratings in Ontario, any more. These @sswipes from Toronto showed up, waving badges
(I am not making this up) jibbering about the Career College Act.

So. When can I have my laptop and phone back, that were stolen from me,
when I made the mistake of visiting Canada in 2016?

And when can I expect to have my Canadian ATPL and citizenship revoked, as was
threatened last year by TC, when I made the mistake of spending 4 days in Canada?

I get how TC pulls my ATPL for no reason, with a lifetime perfect safety record. But
how do they revoke my citizenship? Does this have anything with them telling people
that I fly cocaine from South America? That's what they told the Chief of Police of
the town I used to live in, in Canada.
As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly.
Chuck Ellsworth
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These @sswipes from Toronto showed up,
You are giving them praise for being something useful, why?
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I should track down Donna Vogel and thank her. See, she was running the
Ontario Career College program in Toronto, and I phoned her.

I explained that as a freelance flight instructor, I could in no way be legally
construed as a "Career College". I understood the admirable intent of the
legislation, to protect students who had paid tuition up front.

But with no tuition up front, there is no "Career College". Just a freelance
flight instructor with a PTR that the student was, by law, free to take any
time and go someplace else to complete his training. He paid after each
lesson.

In addition, there were at least two Supreme Court precedents that aviation
was Federally regulated, and attempts by the provinces to interfere with
aviation had been consistently rebuffed over many decades.

Donna Vogel, who worked for Dalton McGuinty and Kathleen Wynne, two of
the scummiest people to hold office in Ontario, replied, "I don't care" and
sent the Ontario Career College Police, complete with badges - I am not making
this crazy shit up - to harass flight instructors at small airports in Ontario.

I ducked them at CYSH, I know they seized all the paperwork and shut down the
Rockcliffe Flying Club. At CYSH, Lt Gen David O'Blenis was more than up to dealing
with the @ssclowns from Toronto. He thought it was hilarious that they went around
waving their badges. I miss Dave.



See, I owe Donna Vogel. She, like @sshole Arlo and Rotten Ronnie, convinced
me that there was no future in Canada. It was time to leave.

I should look her up and thank her. My life is much better now.
As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly.
John Swallow
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TC regulations:

Bill Stewart (ex-Golden Hawk) and I (ex-Golden Centennaire) were both working in TC in Moncton in the late 80s. According to the regulations of the day, we could not go up in something like a Citabria or a Chipmunk and do aerobatics. Weren't instructors. Changed later, of course.
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It should not bother me, but it offends me when the real world and the paper world
are substantially - sometimes ludicrously - de-coupled.

Renewing my class 1 aerobatic instructor, years ago, the examiner told me that the
TC Inspectors would lean on him to renew their class 1 aerobatic instructor ratings
that they had previously smoked through.

The examiner told me not only could they not teach a new aerobatic instructor,
they couldn't teach aerobatics, and they couldn't even safely fly aerobatic maneuvers
themselves. No aerobatic background, but hey, they had the paper.

He refused to renew those class 1 aerobatic instructor ratings, and I'm sure it cost him.
As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly.
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